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The 5.1 earthquake for this bomb would suggest a smaller explosion than the bombs at the tail end of WW2, however that depends on a lot of things. Looking at th

The 5.1 earthquake for this bomb would suggest a smaller explosion than the bombs at the tail end of WW2, however that depends on a lot of things. Looking at this list it would suggest about a ~600 ton explosion http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/richter_magnitude_scale http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/richter_magnitude_scale

caf 11y ago
The kiloton-to-richter-scale conversion for a weapons test is highly dependent on the geology and configuration of the test site.
aidenn0 11y ago
Counterpoint: wikipedia shows a formula that puts it at 44kT[1]. However there is a note that it can vary greatly depending on the fraction of energy that is converted to seismic waves (this formula assumes 0.5%); That being said, 44kT is still way below what one would expect for a fusion bomb, and low even for a boosted fission bomb. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_magnitude_scale#Nuclear_explosions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_magnitude_scale#Nuclear...
- DrScump 11y ago
  44KT is basically 3 Hiroshimas.
- beedogs 11y ago
  Here's what 44KT would do to downtown San Francisco: http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=44&lat=37.7564509&lng=-122.4245517&airburst=0&hob_ft=0&zm=13 http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=44&lat=37.7564509&lng...
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  - kitd 11y ago
    Cool site! I selected London, England and it immediately centered the blast on the Houses of Parliament. How sentient is that!
  - kevindication 11y ago
    Nice to see more options on that one. This is the one I remember: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html
  - BrianEatWorld 11y ago
    Not to downplay the seriousness, but that site is quite surprising. I grew up about an hour outside of DC and according to that site, greatly overestimated the danger of a nuclear blast in the nation's capital.
bemmu 11y ago
I wonder if they could just wait until a suitable earthquake happens, and then just lie it was a bomb they detonated?
- mc32 11y ago
  I think "they" usually look for radiation signatures via satellites (and other signal collection systems).
  - caf 11y ago
    WC-135 Constant Phoenix http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/18/wc-135-nuclear-sniffer/ http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/18/wc-135-nuclear-sniffer/
- dredmorbius 11y ago
  Seismic, acoustic, and, especially, radiation signatures tend to strongly differentiate natural and nuclear device events. Earthquakes virtually always develop over both time and space -- the "epicenter" of an earthquake is the center or origin of the movement. Some quakes occur over very long rupture zones -- the 2004 Boxing Day quake off the coast of Indonesia involved several hundred km of fault line, and moved along that fault at several hundred km/hr (this is among the reasons why major quakes can be felt over several minutes -- the rupture is literally happening over that duration, and, depending on the location of the observer, the seismic waves have to travel back to them). An atomic blast begins and ends within a few thousands of a second -- at the seismic scale it's both instantaneous and a point event. A bomb will vent radioactive fission/fusion products and their decay products, many of which are radioactive, and have signatures specific to the type of weapon and design used. Even underground blasts will typically vent detectable quantities to the surface and atmosphere.
  - sandworm101 11y ago
    Bombs also do not have any for/aftershocks. Not all quakes do, but it is a tell.
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kordless 11y ago
I'll just mention the last bomb N. Korea set off was 9MT, according to Wikipedia.
- ricree 11y ago
  Wikipedia has it listed at about 10ish kT, with higher end estimates up around 40ish. By comparison, the Trinity test during the Second World War was roughly 20 KT. Were they actually able to produce a 9MT weapon, it would be more than half as strong as the largest weapons test the US ever conducted.
  - kordless 11y ago
    I stand corrected. I went off by several orders of magnitude! :)

caf 11y ago

The kiloton-to-richter-scale conversion for a weapons test is highly dependent on the geology and configuration of the test site.

aidenn0 11y ago

Counterpoint: wikipedia shows a formula that puts it at 44kT[1]. However there is a note that it can vary greatly depending on the fraction of energy that is converted to seismic waves (this formula assumes 0.5%); That being said, 44kT is still way below what one would expect for a fusion bomb, and low even for a boosted fission bomb. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_magnitude_scale#Nuclear_explosions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_magnitude_scale#Nuclear...

DrScump 11y ago
44KT is basically 3 Hiroshimas.
beedogs 11y ago
Here's what 44KT would do to downtown San Francisco: http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=44&lat=37.7564509&lng=-122.4245517&airburst=0&hob_ft=0&zm=13 http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=44&lat=37.7564509&lng...
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- kitd 11y ago
  Cool site! I selected London, England and it immediately centered the blast on the Houses of Parliament. How sentient is that!
- kevindication 11y ago
  Nice to see more options on that one. This is the one I remember: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html
- BrianEatWorld 11y ago
  Not to downplay the seriousness, but that site is quite surprising. I grew up about an hour outside of DC and according to that site, greatly overestimated the danger of a nuclear blast in the nation's capital.

bemmu 11y ago

I wonder if they could just wait until a suitable earthquake happens, and then just lie it was a bomb they detonated?

mc32 11y ago
I think "they" usually look for radiation signatures via satellites (and other signal collection systems).
- caf 11y ago
  WC-135 Constant Phoenix http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/18/wc-135-nuclear-sniffer/ http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/18/wc-135-nuclear-sniffer/
dredmorbius 11y ago
Seismic, acoustic, and, especially, radiation signatures tend to strongly differentiate natural and nuclear device events. Earthquakes virtually always develop over both time and space -- the "epicenter" of an earthquake is the center or origin of the movement. Some quakes occur over very long rupture zones -- the 2004 Boxing Day quake off the coast of Indonesia involved several hundred km of fault line, and moved along that fault at several hundred km/hr (this is among the reasons why major quakes can be felt over several minutes -- the rupture is literally happening over that duration, and, depending on the location of the observer, the seismic waves have to travel back to them). An atomic blast begins and ends within a few thousands of a second -- at the seismic scale it's both instantaneous and a point event. A bomb will vent radioactive fission/fusion products and their decay products, many of which are radioactive, and have signatures specific to the type of weapon and design used. Even underground blasts will typically vent detectable quantities to the surface and atmosphere.
- sandworm101 11y ago
  Bombs also do not have any for/aftershocks. Not all quakes do, but it is a tell.
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kordless 11y ago

I'll just mention the last bomb N. Korea set off was 9MT, according to Wikipedia.

ricree 11y ago
Wikipedia has it listed at about 10ish kT, with higher end estimates up around 40ish. By comparison, the Trinity test during the Second World War was roughly 20 KT. Were they actually able to produce a 9MT weapon, it would be more than half as strong as the largest weapons test the US ever conducted.
- kordless 11y ago
  I stand corrected. I went off by several orders of magnitude! :)