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How exactly did you get caught? opsec/comsec violation?

ryanlol 11y ago
Difficult question to answer. There was a complete lack of "technical" evidence against me (e.g .bash_history files, wiretaps). The only evidence the prosecution had against me were a list of compromised sites and several coldfusion 0days I had in my possession. They could never prove that I generated the list of compromised sites, but the judges felt that the possession of said list was enough evidence to convict me. We would've appealed but there was no point as the sentence was essentially nothing.
- jacquesm 11y ago
  > We would've appealed but there was no point as the sentence was essentially nothing. But you do end up with a record, which is not 'essentially nothing'.
  - ewindisch 11y ago
    I suppose it depends on what that means for a minor in Finland.
  - ryanlol 11y ago
    Since I'm not really planning to look for a job, my main worry was potential visa issues. But I haven't had any troubles visiting the few countries I do need a visa for.
    - lawnchair_larry 11y ago
      How are you in a position where looking for a job in the future is not really necessary?
      - ryanlol 11y ago
        Bitcoin.
        IKnowComputer 11y ago
        That's an awful lot of faith in virtual currency and its speculative nature to be betting the next 50-60 years of your life.
        Perihelion 11y ago
        I can't even tell you how many pen testers I know with criminal records. Somewhere, someone will hire him to do security.
        apgwoz 11y ago
        Who is to say xe didn't buy a bunch of it at $1 and sell it off, making millions, when it hit $200-$300?
        ryanlol 11y ago
        Diversification is pretty important if you want to keep any kind of currency for 50-60 years.
      - vox_mollis 11y ago
        Talented hackers are not exactly unemployable.
  - technion 11y ago
    The other side to that is that if you appeal, and lose, you can come off worse. So even though a criminal record is "something", depending where the lawyers feel your chances are, it may be best going along with it.

Difficult question to answer. There was a complete lack of "technical" evidence against me (e.g .bash_history files, wiretaps). The only evidence the prosecution had against me were a list of compromised sites and several coldfusion 0days I had in my possession. They could never prove that I generated the list of compromised sites, but the judges felt that the possession of said list was enough evidence to convict me. We would've appealed but there was no point as the sentence was essentially nothing.

jacquesm 11y ago
> We would've appealed but there was no point as the sentence was essentially nothing. But you do end up with a record, which is not 'essentially nothing'.
- ewindisch 11y ago
  I suppose it depends on what that means for a minor in Finland.
- ryanlol 11y ago
  Since I'm not really planning to look for a job, my main worry was potential visa issues. But I haven't had any troubles visiting the few countries I do need a visa for.
  - lawnchair_larry 11y ago
    How are you in a position where looking for a job in the future is not really necessary?
    - ryanlol 11y ago
      Bitcoin.
      - IKnowComputer 11y ago
        That's an awful lot of faith in virtual currency and its speculative nature to be betting the next 50-60 years of your life.
        Perihelion 11y ago
        I can't even tell you how many pen testers I know with criminal records. Somewhere, someone will hire him to do security.
        apgwoz 11y ago
        Who is to say xe didn't buy a bunch of it at $1 and sell it off, making millions, when it hit $200-$300?
        ryanlol 11y ago
        Diversification is pretty important if you want to keep any kind of currency for 50-60 years.
    - vox_mollis 11y ago
      Talented hackers are not exactly unemployable.
- technion 11y ago
  The other side to that is that if you appeal, and lose, you can come off worse. So even though a criminal record is "something", depending where the lawyers feel your chances are, it may be best going along with it.