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> cycle of poverty is strong in these rural locations because of the lack of public transportation Because? Really? Because someone has to buy a car? I think y

> cycle of poverty is strong in these rural locations because of the lack of public transportation Because? Really? Because someone has to buy a car? I think your feelings are in the way of your cognitive ability. >of low-income people moving to common destinations I'm sure there are plenty of low-income people moving to the suburbs/rural areas because they are being priced out of high density centers. Lets not forget, 5% of the population uses the bus, that's including major urban centers like NYC. Nationally, nobody uses the bus, its a joke throw back to a time before cars. Fuck buses.

ghshephard 11y ago
Re: Buses - if you get a chance, come over to Singapore. The buses come by every 3-5 minutes, have world-class air-conditioning, and on the half-dozen or so routes that I ride regularly, I don't think I've ever had to stand. I rarely bother to even use their (world class) MRT I love the buses so much. An advanced city is not a place where the poor move about in cars, rather it’s where even the rich use public transportation
- vonklaus 11y ago
  Singapore is ~1/4 of the size of Rhode Island and ~200 square miles larger than lichtenstein, the smallest country in Europe. It's like 50k USD to own the ability to own a car which expires in 10 years at which point you will have to scrap it or rebuy this cert. A passat is somewhere north of 150k. Also, I would add that subways are probably a better way forward than busses for a modern city, or at least some sort of connected underground transport system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_in_Singapore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_in_Singapore http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-06-04/singapore-family-sedan-matches-cost-of-a-u-s-home http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-06-04/singapore-... https://www.google.com/search?q=singapore+size https://www.google.com/search?q=singapore+size https://www.google.com/search?q=rhode+island+size https://www.google.com/search?q=rhode+island+size https://www.google.com/search?q=size+of+the+vatican https://www.google.com/search?q=size+of+the+vatican
  - ghshephard 11y ago
    I agree - that there are a number of factors that benefit it's bus system over cars - the reasonable size of the country, and the enlightened attitude towards car owners paying for their externiality costs (the Certificate of Entitlement, or COE). I also agree that Subways are awesome - and Singapore has an awesome system for such a young country, and they are going to be adding a new one each year through 2024 - That's a new line, not just a new station. [1] The nice thing about bus stops - is they are everywhere, and the buses come by very frequently, and they all have GPS locators on them - so you can time your arrival to the stop to be when the bus arrives (which you can look up on your smart phone). I've never been a fan of buses before Singapore - but it's great to see what can be done in a country where cars are not the default option. [1] http://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=80d3169f-dc5c-4425-9a3e-e578b1a33042 http://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=80d3169f-dc...
bduerst 11y ago
Maintain a car, not just buy. For a family below the poverty line & living paycheck to paycheck, this is costly. 55% of commuters in New York city use public transportation, 34% in SF, 26% in Chicago, 40% in D.C., etc. Don't be a dick about cognitive ability when you're quoting a 5% number that includes people who don't even have access to buses.

ghshephard 11y ago

Re: Buses - if you get a chance, come over to Singapore. The buses come by every 3-5 minutes, have world-class air-conditioning, and on the half-dozen or so routes that I ride regularly, I don't think I've ever had to stand. I rarely bother to even use their (world class) MRT I love the buses so much. An advanced city is not a place where the poor move about in cars, rather it’s where even the rich use public transportation

vonklaus 11y ago
Singapore is ~1/4 of the size of Rhode Island and ~200 square miles larger than lichtenstein, the smallest country in Europe. It's like 50k USD to own the ability to own a car which expires in 10 years at which point you will have to scrap it or rebuy this cert. A passat is somewhere north of 150k. Also, I would add that subways are probably a better way forward than busses for a modern city, or at least some sort of connected underground transport system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_in_Singapore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_in_Singapore http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-06-04/singapore-family-sedan-matches-cost-of-a-u-s-home http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-06-04/singapore-... https://www.google.com/search?q=singapore+size https://www.google.com/search?q=singapore+size https://www.google.com/search?q=rhode+island+size https://www.google.com/search?q=rhode+island+size https://www.google.com/search?q=size+of+the+vatican https://www.google.com/search?q=size+of+the+vatican
- ghshephard 11y ago
  I agree - that there are a number of factors that benefit it's bus system over cars - the reasonable size of the country, and the enlightened attitude towards car owners paying for their externiality costs (the Certificate of Entitlement, or COE). I also agree that Subways are awesome - and Singapore has an awesome system for such a young country, and they are going to be adding a new one each year through 2024 - That's a new line, not just a new station. [1] The nice thing about bus stops - is they are everywhere, and the buses come by very frequently, and they all have GPS locators on them - so you can time your arrival to the stop to be when the bus arrives (which you can look up on your smart phone). I've never been a fan of buses before Singapore - but it's great to see what can be done in a country where cars are not the default option. [1] http://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=80d3169f-dc5c-4425-9a3e-e578b1a33042 http://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=80d3169f-dc...

bduerst 11y ago

Maintain a car, not just buy. For a family below the poverty line & living paycheck to paycheck, this is costly. 55% of commuters in New York city use public transportation, 34% in SF, 26% in Chicago, 40% in D.C., etc. Don't be a dick about cognitive ability when you're quoting a 5% number that includes people who don't even have access to buses.