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Spacemacs 0.105.0 released
- shadeless 11y agoAlso a great addition is the new Spacemacs website which went live today: http://spacemacs.org/ http://spacemacs.org/
- JoshMnem 11y agoI love Spacemacs, but the old site looked better. Why all the animation? It's like the Web is devolving back to how it was when it was covered in animated gifs, marquee, and blink elements. Animation doesn't catch my attention -- it makes me want to close the page.
- KurtMueller 11y agoI'm agree with you in this particular instance. I suspect it's a tendency that comes when upgrading the look of a webpage - you want to add all the bells and whistles you've been seeing on other websites.
- outworlder 11y agoPerhaps you are not the intended audience, then?
- JoshMnem 11y agoLike I said, I love Spacemacs. I just don't like animation for animation's sake. It's the modern equivalent of blink and marquee elements. Just saying that I like the old site better.
- vpkaihla 11y agoThe old site was broken, though: all the links lead to non-existent pages.
- iLemming 11y agoSpacemacs is awesome! Anyone who still using Vim should at least try it.
- jophde 11y agoEasily the best editor going imo.
- pzone 11y agoIf it were just an editor I would agree, but the #1 killer app, org-mode, puts it in a different class of application.
- StreakyCobra 11y agoCome to the dark side of Emacs. We have cookies.
- davidw 11y agoA colleague is using it and I had a look, but it seems kind of weird because it doesn't seem like Emacs any more to the point where I couldn't easily do Emacs stuff with it. I've been using regular old Emacs for about 20 years. For those more familiar with Spacemacs, how hard is it to accomplish some of what it does, or transition to a more normal Emacs setup once you get to like Emacs? Edit - this is just out of curiosity. I hope to use Emacs for another 20 years at least :-)
- syl20bnr 11y agoPressing `SPC (or M-m) t E e` will switch the editing style to Emacs (cursor becomes blue) and you should be at home :-) From there the Spacemacs key bindings are available behind `M-m`.
- jambo 11y agoI think you can now configure it to run in "holy mode". In both modes you can still type meta-x (also via `<space>:`). I think if you had a very customized emacs setup, you'd have to put some effort organizing it into custom "layers", which is how spacemacs organizes its config and making sure you don't have big conflicts in mapped keys.
- cmiles74 11y agoIMHO, the layers are pretty easy to put together if you're comfortable with your Emacs configuration. The first one I coded up (for notmuch) was done inside an hour and that's when I was new to Spacemacs.
- robto 11y agoI've been using Emacs daily for about 2.5 years. This summer I decided to try Spacemacs. While I found the setup pretty smooth, I was unable to get certain behaviors to function like I was used to, so I ended up just going through the package lists and stealing liberarally from their config. The end result is an Emacs that's pretty and has a config I can understand. Plus I learned a lot about elisp. The important things that simulated the Spacemacs feel for me were these packages: helm, hydra, and powerline. I haven't yet grokked modal editing, so I don't have any experience with vim/evil.
- piotrrojek 11y agoI don't have any experience in neither Vim, nor Emacs. Should I try it? Looks awesome. Also - is there any way to add Go (golang) support?
- psibi 11y ago> is there any way to add Go (golang) support? The details seems to be here: https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/tree/master/layers/%2Blang/go https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/tree/master/layers/%2B...
- syl20bnr 11y agoThere is a Go layer: http://spacemacs.org/layers/+lang/go/README.html http://spacemacs.org/layers/+lang/go/README.html You can launch an evil-tutor to start with Vim key bindings by pressing `SPC h T`.
- nilkn 11y agoI personally would find spacemacs very overwhelming if I didn't have prior experience with either vim or emacs. My recommendation is to pick one of the two, use it for a while and get some experience, and then consider spacemacs.
- leppr 11y agoJust wanted to reiterate this. When I started with Spacemacs I had a few years of using and customizing Vim under my belt, yet I still found it very daunting at the beginning. The main problem is customization. Even though Emacs Lisp and the Emacs ecosystem allows for a more organized and advanced setup, there are so many options to do any single thing. Add to that the newbie-unfriendly documentation, you end up spending way too much time trying to understand how to customize things properly, or at all. Whereas with Vim, if I had a simple customization idea, I would just google it, find a solution in 2 minutes and slap a few more lines in my 1k LoC .vimrc.
- iLemming 11y agoYou should learn Vi-motions even if you won't be using Emacs or Vim. They are useful in other apps like browser or terminal too.
- Naomarik 11y agoBeen using this for a few months now and this configuration of emacs has made coding and note taking a pleasure.
- jcoffland 11y agoI've been using emacs for about 20yrs as my main coding editor and vi regularly as a fast command line editor. Can some one explain in clear terms why I would want to learn a new set of key bindings? What are the advantages of spacemacs other than a better configuration system and nifty graphics? Both the Github page and website do a terrible job of explaining this, IMO. Maybe the answer is that it was not made for me.
- jhbadger 11y agoBasically that's exactly what it is -- a wrapper around the configuration system of emacs to make it more manageable, plus the vi keys option (the normal emacs keys are still there).
- DannoHung 11y agoI feel like it's more for vim users who need a gentle introduction to emacs (me) and really don't want to leave modal editing and more advanced vi features behind. It goes a lot further in emulating the day-to-day vi experience than literally anything I've ever tried before. But it's also a pretty nicely managed set of extra packages that are all smacked around to play nicely with each other. If you've been using emacs for 20 years and already know how to do stuff and maybe even write your own modes, then it's proooobably not for you. (I mean, you coulda been using evil a long time ago).
- duaneb 11y agoHow is this any better than e.g. viper mode?
- thedz 11y agoit's a wrapper around the successor to viper mode (evil) that also attempts to introduce bindings in a smart (ymmv, obv) way. it's much more than just viper, but the ultimate goal is the same: to provide emacs with vim keybindings for prefer to want to use emacs that way.
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- jasonjackson 11y agoI love Spacemacs, I'm a total convert I barely ever use vim now -- best of both worlds.
- xutopia 11y agoWhich both worlds?
- quarterto 11y agoPresumably Emacs and Vim.
- aban 11y agoThe extensibility of Emacs, along with Vi[m] key bindings. Although Spacemacs does have a "Holy mode" which will keep the Emacs bindings and won't use vim-like keys.
- CrystalCuckoo 11y agoProbably modal editing and plugins that aren't constrained by Vimscript.
- robertcarter 11y agoHow long did it take you to convert? Did you relinquish vim key-bindings and cross to straight emacs? I still prefer out of habit vim keystrokes, but I'm having to relearn everything else (buffer navigation, searching, definition navigation etc)
- pzone 11y agoNo benefit of relinquishing vim keybindings, but you have to learn some extra emacs bindings (like Ctrl+G to cancel) if you need to handle every situation.
- ubercow 11y ago1.2 What is the official pronunciation of Spacemacs? As it is written, that is space then macs. I was wrong this whole time. I always pronounced it like "space emacs" or "spacey-macs" if you will.
- michaelhoffman 11y agoI pronounce it spuh-CHEE-max, like the pronunciation of Dr. Spaceman's name on 30 Rock.
- jasonkostempski 11y agoFirst thing I thought of, took me too long to find the reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wQbKAAfCCY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wQbKAAfCCY
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- benjaminmikiten 11y agoLet's take a page from 30 Rock's "Dr. Spaceman" and pronounce it "spah-chem-aks" But really, I thought it was just "space-macs"
- pzone 11y agoYeah that's the correct pronunciation, it's in the FAQ somewhere.
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- oneeyedpigeon 11y agoI feel like the author missed a golden opportunity to call this Vimacs ...
- michaelhoffman 11y agoThat already exists. It's Emacs bindings for Vim. http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=300 http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=300
- dilap 11y agowhyyyy would you do that?? i say that as a devoted emacs addict!
- shriphani 11y agoI used spacemacs for a bit a few months ago but launch-times were really long. I use emacs as my default editor and I really hated the bootstrapping process when I fired up emacs to edit a config from the command line. If someone has a simple fix to this problem I would gladly use it since they seemed to have the right ingredients for a top notch experience.
- packetslave 11y agoemacs --daemon and EDITOR='emacsclient'
- leppr 11y agoalias emacs="emacsclient -nw -a ''" is the best I've found. -nw: Open a new frame in current terminal (otherwise it just opens the file in whatever other emacs window you already have launched). -a: Start the daemon if it isn't running. '': Little trick so you can launch it without a filename.
- philsnow 11y ago-a: Start the daemon if it isn't running. '': Little trick so you can launch it without a filename. Ha, if only. From the bit on `-a` in https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/emacsclient-Options.html https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/em... : Specify a command to run if emacsclient fails to contact Emacs. This is useful when running emacsclient in a script. As a special exception, if command is the empty string, then emacsclient starts Emacs in daemon mode (as emacs --daemon) and then tries connecting again. `emacsclient -a vim` will run vim if it can't connect to a running daemon.
- chm 11y agoI noticed that using GUI Emacs in OSX, a first boot is slow and will open two windows: a Spacemacs buffer in one window, and the file in another. Subsequent files are opened much faster if you keep the Spacemacs buffer opened.
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- jacobmoe 11y agoPeople like to say that emacs isn't an editor but a platform, or just a lisp interpreter that comes with text editing libraries. But is it? The emacs development team sees it as a text editor, I think. If it was just an interpreter, I can imagine many editors built on top of it, with spacemacs being just one. If it's an editor, than wouldn't you expect the good ideas from projects like spacemacs to make its way into the emacs core? I wonder if the emacs core team should go all in with the emacs-as-a-platform idea and focus on just the core features, letting projects like spacemacs to create an appealing editor.
- desireco42 11y agoThat is excellent idea. I am learning now and using spacemacs and it makes total sense to have focus on core and allow other teams to be focused on ui and usability.
- swhipple 11y agoEmacs core requires FSF copyright assignment. Most of the configurations in Spacemacs use third party extensions which don't have the assignment. But being non-core is not really a barrier to installation in my opinion. In many ways it is a plus, allowing for out-of-cycle releases and to experiment / break compatibility at their own pace.
- pyre 11y agoIt's already this way in a sense. There are many things that seem more "solid" to me in Vim because there is a default implementation that is baked into the editor. In Emacs, there are several different libraries and various language modes may interact with one or another of those libraries. Many of the various libraries are included in the default Emacs distribution. For example, (IIRC) there are 2 or 3 "folding" libraries that are in Emacs, while Vim just has folding baked in. Sometimes this makes Emacs seem less consistent to me than Vim does.
- ambulancechaser 11y agowell, that's kinda been the way emacs has been for a while now. They recently added a really easy package managing system which allows for emacs to look and behave drastically different from each other. About making its way into the core, the dev team won't really put anything into the core unless other things in the core require them. Getting the dev email list to agree to a change of something that is easily added through packages or just init.el/emacs.d/ is difficult if not impossible. But this is a good thing: opinionated workflows are adaptable but not forced on seasoned veterans and newbies alike. Getting good packages into elpa or tasteful additions into core that augment emacs is always welcomed it seems. Join the development list and just follow discussions. It's always fun to see really smart people talking about new code, extensions, opinions, and the new maintainer John seems to want to do a good job and produce some nice software. I've got it going to my gmail under a label and never filling my inbox so it gives a nice reading break every now and then at work.
- gcao 11y agoHow well does Spacemacs work in a terminal (e.g. iTerm)? I've been using iTerm+Tmux+vim and don't want to give up iTerm+tmux just yet.
- elliotec 11y agoIt works great. I use the same setup, and was big into spacemacs and even contributed to it but ended up right back at iterm + tmux + vim again. Vim is faster, and suits my needs better.
- DannoHung 11y agoWhen you say faster: Did you try starting emacs in daemon mode and connecting to it with emacsclient? I still kinda miss vim -p (and I am not a huge fan of eyebrowse as a replacement for vim's tabs), but that very much solved the speed issue for me.
- StreakyCobra 11y agoIt works probably not as well as vim which is a terminal application. Spacemacs is fully featured on the GUI version, the terminal version works well, but be ready to meet a few bugs in the borders :-)
- DannoHung 11y agoPretty much okay. I've been using it in PuTTY and it works, but there's definitely been some jiggery poking to get it to play nicely.
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- platz 11y agoeveryone talks about spacemacs=vim. this is nice, but what turned me off of spacemacs was the layers config abstractions. It breaks the normal configuration of emacs. Just install evil mode and a few contrib packages.. that's spacemacs lite.
- rhaps0dy 11y ago>Just install evil mode and a few contrib packages.. that's spacemacs lite. Yes. However one of the most attractive features of spacemacs is... that somebody has selected the packages and installed them for you! You don't have to do anything!
- platz 11y ago.. and you're stuck forever in the spacemacs layers abstraction, per my comment above. (Try installing a package from Melpa)
- pixel_fcker 11y agoIt takes literally 5 minutes to add a layer that will install whatever package you want.
- declanqian 11y agoHere, https://github.com/coldnew/coldnew-spacemacs https://github.com/coldnew/coldnew-spacemacs He use spacemacs as module inside .emacs.d. May helps.
- trevorhartman 11y agoAll the links in the docs TOC are broken: https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/blob/master/doc/DOCUMENTATION.org https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/blob/master/doc/DOCUME...
- StreakyCobra 11y agoWe know, we have a problem generating links that work both with our new online documentation system and github (syntax incompatibility). For now you have to use http://spacemacs.org/doc/DOCUMENTATION.html http://spacemacs.org/doc/DOCUMENTATION.html :-)
- cant_kant 11y agoBasically viper in sheep's clothing.
- fizixer 11y agoSlightly off-topic. I'm looking for a tutorial/article/project to create a toy (or even feature-full) emacs-like text editor from the ground up. Using two languages: C and scheme (preferably R7RS-small). I have quite a few resources to create a vi/vim like editor from scratch (vis, some python projects, etc) but non in the scheme+C arena along emacs lines. Emacs project itself is a bad example of studying the architecture of such an editor because of its humongous codebase (~250 kloc C, ~1.2 Mloc e-lisp) unless someone has done a good write-up about how to get familiar with architecture and extensibility infrastructure.
- aban 11y agoI haven't seen any tutorials for writing an emacs-like editor, but I think studying the source of QEmacs [0] and mg [1] is a good starting point. [0]: http://bellard.org/qemacs/ http://bellard.org/qemacs/ [1]: http://homepage.boetes.org/software/mg/ http://homepage.boetes.org/software/mg/ Also, you could take a look at these: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsImplementations http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsImplementations https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Emacs/Emacs-like_editors https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Emacs/Emacs-like_editor... http://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EmacsFamily http://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EmacsFamily
- ruricolist 11y agoYou might want to look at Zile: https://www.gnu.org/software/zile/ https://www.gnu.org/software/zile/
- topkekz 11y agoThe Craft of Text Editing --or-- Emacs for the Modern World https://www.finseth.com/craft/ https://www.finseth.com/craft/
- human_error 11y agoI tried it for couple of weeks but returned back to emacs. It has some cool features but I couldn't get used to its keybindings. I'm sure they're customizable but I wasn't motivated enough to do so.
- gnuvince 11y agoSame for me. Cool package if it floats your boat, but it's not what I look for in an editor, especially the "crowd configured" part.
- codygman 11y agoFor me Spacemacs is perfect: 7~ years using vim 4 years using emacs enjoyed modal editing in vim, got very good with it enjoyed how easy it was to program/debug emacs tried setting up evil, wasn't up to the task of configuring it With both Emacs and Vim I had trouble having to upgrade my configs too often, but that's not necessarily their fault. It could just be a coincidence of timing, but Spacemacs gives me most of what I want by default and makes it easy for me to customize. I will say that the Emacs graphic rendering bug which causes pathologically bad performance on long lines has been biting me a lot using Spacemacs to do Golang development.
- eruditely 11y agoThis is really cool, I've been using bbatsov's one and I'm going to try this. One thing I really suggest is installing the seethru plugin here's a screenshot, it makes emacs transparent. http://imgur.com/DUCv2UK http://imgur.com/DUCv2UK I also use webstorm 11 as my emacs skill is insufficient to graduate to apprentice neckbeard. my apologies.
- StreakyCobra 11y agoTry `SPC T T`