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IPv6 does offer user-visible features though. My home VOIP line doesn't work on IPv4 without arsing around with NAT, which is something that I'm not inclined to
by growse 11y ago
IPv6 does offer user-visible features though. My home VOIP line doesn't work on IPv4 without arsing around with NAT, which is something that I'm not inclined to do or troubleshoot. On IPv6, plug it in, configure the firewall and it just works.
Also, I found a simple solution to the fact that neither VM or BT offer IPv6 - use a different ISP.
- geocar 11y agoUnfortunately nobody else is the same price (or cheaper) for the same speed (or faster). I don't have any problems running VOIP at home, though.
- growse 11y agoSo you're complaint is that a service with more features costs more than a service with fewer features?
- geocar 11y agoWhy should I pay for services I'm not using? There aren't any websites that are IPv6-only, and until there are, telling me to vote with my wallet is pointless.
- lmm 11y agoIf VOIP is harder to configure under the cheaper service, then it's a question of how much you value your time. Maybe for you the cheaper option is the better choice, but maybe for someone else it wouldn't be. Likewise for gamers. Often IPv6 is lower latency or again easier to configure. For some people that's worth paying money for. Ultimately as IPv4 addresses get more expensive and IPv6 equipment becomes cheaper, the costs will shift, and the benefits will remain.
- cm2187 11y agoCan you really play games using IPv6? You would need all the other players in the same party to use IPv6. That would severely limit who you can play with in the UK.
- lmm 11y agoI think some games will connect peer-to-peer by default, and fall back to relaying via a central server in the case of NAT (particularly CGNAT or double-NAT cases that can't be bypassed by the usual techniques). So NATed players can still play, but players on IPv6 or directly internet-connected IPv4 get the best experience.
- the_mitsuhiko 11y ago> Often IPv6 is lower latency or again easier to configure. For some people that's worth paying money for. There are no games that use IPv6 unless you are on Xbox One which uses IPv6.
- blibble 11y agoWorld of Warcraft: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-myQeNb9SnGo/VHGakel_c5I/AAAAAAAADQw/lL5IlSoe5RQ/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2014-11-23%2Bat%2B08.26.27.png http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-myQeNb9SnGo/VHGakel_c5I/AAAAAAAADQ...
- the_mitsuhiko 11y ago> Often IPv6 is lower latency or again easier to configure. For some people that's worth paying money for. There are no games that use IPv6 unless you are on Xbox One which uses IPv6.
- growse 11y agoYour original comment was: > I'm frankly tired of dealing with the incompatibility. My point is that you have a choice. As lmm correctly points out, it's how you value your time.
- geocar 11y agoI think you misunderstood; Perhaps I was unclear. I can often get an IPv6 address that fails to work: I'll do DNS lookups and get a huge delay while connectivity fails-over onto the Internet (IPv4). Hotels are worse. The best solution right now is to disable my OS's IPv6 support which is positively insane if the goal is to get everyone to do the opposite. The thing is, IPv6 proponents want me to do something (vote? switch? not really sure), but don't equip me with the ability to do it smartly. Instead I get derided by people who judge me for not being smart enough, or valuing my time enough (wtf?) to switch to IPv6. Like I'm somehow holding back progress.
- growse 11y agoIf you get a broken IPv6 address from a network, then that network is broken. It's no different from having a DHCP server hand out the wrong DNS server IPs - blame the guy who can't configure the equipment properly rather than the underlying technology. FWIW, after 10 years of extensive travel and hooking onto whatever hotel/conference/shop network you can imagine, I've seen broken DNS, broken routes and broken proxies - yet to see broken IPv6 though. Hey ho. > The thing is, IPv6 proponents want me to do something (vote? switch? not really sure), but don't equip me with the ability to do it smartly. Instead I get derided by people who judge me for not being smart enough, or valuing my time enough (wtf?) to switch to IPv6. Like I'm somehow holding back progress. I'm not really sure what this means. Everyone values their time differently, I'm certainly not going to judge anyone for that. If IPv6 doesn't solve any problems for you, then great. Don't try and pretend that it's not helping loads of other people solve their problems though.
- chmars 11y agoDon't VoIP devices such as SIP clients become more vulnerable if they use IPv6? And: Does your VoIP provider really support IPv6? I have just check the common SIP providers where I live and they are all still on IPv6 … :(
- pilif 11y ago>Don't VoIP devices such as SIP clients become more vulnerable if they use IPv6? not really. Whether they are reachable via the help of a STUN server or directly doesn't make a difference. They are reachable either way.
- growse 11y agoI get mine from my isp: http://aa.net.uk/telecoms.html http://aa.net.uk/telecoms.html - there are other IPv6 providers out there and they make life so much easier. :)
- the_mitsuhiko 11y agoAnd user visible drawbacks like renumeration constantly.
- cm2187 11y agoI only have one fiber to the premise provider in my building, and I care more about having optic fiber than IPv6.