> I think we have to accept that the real world usage is now so muddled that on a general forum such as this you can't fall back on that anymore I don't want t

> I think we have to accept that the real world usage is now so muddled that on a general forum such as this you can't fall back on that anymore I don't want to accept it. I don't accept it with respect to other words either, such as hackers or democracy (despite GDR calling itself democratic). > Both see the state as evil. Their morals are pretty much the same. Their only difference is in how to structure government to protect the interests of the individual. One is right while the other is left. I am not really all that familiar with them to be the judge here, but if their morals are pretty much the same, then one can hardly be left and the other hardly right according to my definition. I think this may be a case of misapplied labels, but I am not sure. > There's obvious examples of authoritarians on both sides. That doesn't mean anything. Just my opinion - left/right moral distinction is used within your ingroup, but authoritarianism resolves to what the ingroup is.