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I still can't seem to figure out: can IDEA + plugins = PyCharm & RubyMine & PHPStorm & WebStorm?

mbell 11y ago
Kind of. The core functionality is the same but the plugins generally lag behind the functionality of the focused IDEs by around one major release. Additionally there are some general tweaks to the UI such that the overall experience is more streamlined with the focused IDEs.
2muchcoffeeman 11y ago
Yeah, if you have the ultimate edition, you can get plugins to do pretty much what all their other products do. Except for maybe AppCode.
Igglyboo 11y ago
It comes about 95% of the way. The plugins usually lag slightly behind the individual IDEs and their are some minor UI tweaks.
- hhariri 11y ago
  They usually do not lag behind. They are made available as plugins the same day that the IDE is released.
VeilEm 11y ago
No, they can't. The special versions of their editors do things that are not possible in a plugin because of how much the UI changes the editor. The good news is that you can now get a license for all of the intellij based IDEs. It's not cheap, but worth it.
- hhariri 11y ago
  That's actually not correct. The functionality of all IDE's we have (with exception of AppCode and CLion) can be obtained via plugins on IntelliJ IDEA. The smaller IDE's are focused around the specific platform / functionality.
  - VeilEm 11y ago
    Sorry hari, I love intellij and the work you do there, but I do not believe you. Please show me an IntelliJ IDEA that looks and behaves exactly like webstorm and pycharm just with plugins. You can't. For example Pycharm doesn't even have a project settings option. What plugin gives you that?
    - hhariri 11y ago
      Are you asking if IntelliJ IDEA can look like PyCharm? If that's the case, no, it can't. Each IDE is somewhat tailored to the specifics of the framework/language/platform as I mentioned, but the functionality that they provide is available as plugins. For instance with WebStorm you can have node.js, angular.js plugins installed in IntelliJ IDEA and get the same features. Obviously, IntelliJ IDEA is a polyglot environment so certain things cater to the needs of many platforms and languages, which is why there are some differences in UI, but AFAIK, the core functionality is there. Having said that, we fully understand that users want to have smaller more focused IDE's based on the specific needs, which is one of the main reasons we started offer the All Products option. But I do want to stress that the functionality of the different IDE's are via plugins, and that these plugins are available for IntelliJ IDEA, the same day the IDE's are released.
      - VeilEm 11y ago
        Sure, and the UI differences become a big problem though when you want to set something up and cannot find the available documentation for intellij IDEA. The instructions will only be for Pycharm and making the translation of where to find the resource in Pycharm to how to find it in IntelliJ via the plugin can be considerably challening. In addition the special editors also seem to have sane default options added in places. I don't have a specific example, but I remember having trouble setting up a django project in intellij, giving up and buying Pycharm and doing it that way. I'm very happy for the universal license, thank you so much for adding it. I love the special editors like WebStorm and PyCharm, and I use IntelliJ IDEA as well. I use them all, regularly.
  - noir_lord 11y ago

mbell 11y ago

Kind of. The core functionality is the same but the plugins generally lag behind the functionality of the focused IDEs by around one major release. Additionally there are some general tweaks to the UI such that the overall experience is more streamlined with the focused IDEs.

2muchcoffeeman 11y ago

Yeah, if you have the ultimate edition, you can get plugins to do pretty much what all their other products do. Except for maybe AppCode.

Igglyboo 11y ago

It comes about 95% of the way. The plugins usually lag slightly behind the individual IDEs and their are some minor UI tweaks.

hhariri 11y ago
They usually do not lag behind. They are made available as plugins the same day that the IDE is released.

VeilEm 11y ago

No, they can't. The special versions of their editors do things that are not possible in a plugin because of how much the UI changes the editor. The good news is that you can now get a license for all of the intellij based IDEs. It's not cheap, but worth it.

hhariri 11y ago
That's actually not correct. The functionality of all IDE's we have (with exception of AppCode and CLion) can be obtained via plugins on IntelliJ IDEA. The smaller IDE's are focused around the specific platform / functionality.
- VeilEm 11y ago
  Sorry hari, I love intellij and the work you do there, but I do not believe you. Please show me an IntelliJ IDEA that looks and behaves exactly like webstorm and pycharm just with plugins. You can't. For example Pycharm doesn't even have a project settings option. What plugin gives you that?
  - hhariri 11y ago
    Are you asking if IntelliJ IDEA can look like PyCharm? If that's the case, no, it can't. Each IDE is somewhat tailored to the specifics of the framework/language/platform as I mentioned, but the functionality that they provide is available as plugins. For instance with WebStorm you can have node.js, angular.js plugins installed in IntelliJ IDEA and get the same features. Obviously, IntelliJ IDEA is a polyglot environment so certain things cater to the needs of many platforms and languages, which is why there are some differences in UI, but AFAIK, the core functionality is there. Having said that, we fully understand that users want to have smaller more focused IDE's based on the specific needs, which is one of the main reasons we started offer the All Products option. But I do want to stress that the functionality of the different IDE's are via plugins, and that these plugins are available for IntelliJ IDEA, the same day the IDE's are released.
    - VeilEm 11y ago
      Sure, and the UI differences become a big problem though when you want to set something up and cannot find the available documentation for intellij IDEA. The instructions will only be for Pycharm and making the translation of where to find the resource in Pycharm to how to find it in IntelliJ via the plugin can be considerably challening. In addition the special editors also seem to have sane default options added in places. I don't have a specific example, but I remember having trouble setting up a django project in intellij, giving up and buying Pycharm and doing it that way. I'm very happy for the universal license, thank you so much for adding it. I love the special editors like WebStorm and PyCharm, and I use IntelliJ IDEA as well. I use them all, regularly.
- noir_lord 11y ago