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Well I don't share this reductionist view. Overuse entirely infringes upon beauty because the technique in question becomes progressively less vitalic and pote

by l33tbro 11y ago

Well I don't share this reductionist view. Overuse entirely infringes upon beauty because the technique in question becomes progressively less vitalic and potent with people thoughtlessly employing it for the affect of authenticity.

erikpukinskis 11y ago
Overuse only decreases the beauty of kitch, which never required any artistry in the first place. Real art requires artistry, which requires practice, which introduces divergence, which means you end up with different works. What you're thinking of is people slapping together the same junk over and over, but none of that is art. It might be done in a medium that has properties #1 and #2 so the medium is OK but the artist isn't practicing so the quality of the work is junk.
- l33tbro 11y ago
  Well pop-art is calling, and would like a word about your first point. As for "real art", how does divergence stem from practice? There are plenty of great works, say a Rauchenberg or a Turrell, who's beauty comes not from the labor of practice, but from the alignment of concept, subject, and vision. Conversely, there are plenty of brilliant artists who fall-off after many years of practice - I think of Hockney's photo collages. My original point, which I stand by, is that the use VHS warbling is completely mined and tired. Should somebody come by and employ it in a radical way which communicates new meaning then great. But, for myself and many others, it makes me cringe a little inside.
  - erikpukinskis 11y ago
    Well, the medium for some artists isn't really the material, it's more purely conceptual. Of course all art spans both, but it's a question of proportion. Divergence stems from practice because when two people put thousands of hours into the same task, specifics of the individuals and their environment inevitably become calcified in their skills and process. That all said, I think we're on the same page. The stereotype you are applying to VHS art is not unfounded. I just generally hate stereotypes and I think they hold me back, so I try to question them as much as I can and use better ways of seeing when I can.

by l33tbro 11y ago

erikpukinskis 11y ago

Overuse only decreases the beauty of kitch, which never required any artistry in the first place. Real art requires artistry, which requires practice, which introduces divergence, which means you end up with different works. What you're thinking of is people slapping together the same junk over and over, but none of that is art. It might be done in a medium that has properties #1 and #2 so the medium is OK but the artist isn't practicing so the quality of the work is junk.

l33tbro 11y ago
Well pop-art is calling, and would like a word about your first point. As for "real art", how does divergence stem from practice? There are plenty of great works, say a Rauchenberg or a Turrell, who's beauty comes not from the labor of practice, but from the alignment of concept, subject, and vision. Conversely, there are plenty of brilliant artists who fall-off after many years of practice - I think of Hockney's photo collages. My original point, which I stand by, is that the use VHS warbling is completely mined and tired. Should somebody come by and employ it in a radical way which communicates new meaning then great. But, for myself and many others, it makes me cringe a little inside.
- erikpukinskis 11y ago
  Well, the medium for some artists isn't really the material, it's more purely conceptual. Of course all art spans both, but it's a question of proportion. Divergence stems from practice because when two people put thousands of hours into the same task, specifics of the individuals and their environment inevitably become calcified in their skills and process. That all said, I think we're on the same page. The stereotype you are applying to VHS art is not unfounded. I just generally hate stereotypes and I think they hold me back, so I try to question them as much as I can and use better ways of seeing when I can.