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I disagree. Far many times it has been seen that the humanities have just sided with the rulers (especially true in case of communists) so that they be spared.

by tmptmp 11y ago

I disagree. Far many times it has been seen that the humanities have just sided with the rulers (especially true in case of communists) so that they be spared. It is a fashion amongst many humanities people in the western world to criticize the western systems and to please their ideological masters and glean any benefits out of it. Do we see any humanities criticizing the communism and Marxism based on the flaws in these corrupt ideologies? No. We see them criticizing only the western system. I am not to say that western market based capitalist system is a panacia but it orders of magnitude better than the communism and Marxism based hell.

Fomite 11y ago
"Far many times it has been seen that the humanities have just sided with the rulers (especially true in case of communists) so that they be spared." Because lord knows scientists have never worked with horrific regimes, right? "Do we see any humanities criticizing the communism and Marxism based on the flaws in these corrupt ideologies?" Umm...I see these all the time. Indeed, my first encounter with both Marx and the flaws of that system were from the humanities.
- tmptmp 11y ago
  I didn't say scientist didn't work for communists or other tyrants. Also, AFAIK there is no loud and unequivocal criticism published by these academics on the same scale/volume as they have for the western systems. Can you give me some papers published by these academics which contain loud and unequivocal criticism of communism/Marxism?
  - Fomite 11y ago
    I'm not going to do a literature search in a field that's not my own just to satisfy someone on HN, but I will give you two paraphrased quotes from classes I took: - "How the 'Dictatorship of the Proletariate' was ever supposed to just naturally fade away was left undiscussed, and clearly never occurred." - "Marx's writing, while a well-reasoned critique of capitalism, failed to provide a workable alternate solution." Both of these were from fairly leftist professors. One should note that, at this point, "Western Systems" are really all that's left, so yes, there's going to be more criticism of them. The Soviet Union collapsed. And China is now some sort of weird hybrid system - and if you're seriously going to argue that there's not academics in the humanities criticizing China, I really don't know what to say.

by tmptmp 11y ago

Fomite 11y ago

"Far many times it has been seen that the humanities have just sided with the rulers (especially true in case of communists) so that they be spared." Because lord knows scientists have never worked with horrific regimes, right? "Do we see any humanities criticizing the communism and Marxism based on the flaws in these corrupt ideologies?" Umm...I see these all the time. Indeed, my first encounter with both Marx and the flaws of that system were from the humanities.

tmptmp 11y ago
I didn't say scientist didn't work for communists or other tyrants. Also, AFAIK there is no loud and unequivocal criticism published by these academics on the same scale/volume as they have for the western systems. Can you give me some papers published by these academics which contain loud and unequivocal criticism of communism/Marxism?
- Fomite 11y ago
  I'm not going to do a literature search in a field that's not my own just to satisfy someone on HN, but I will give you two paraphrased quotes from classes I took: - "How the 'Dictatorship of the Proletariate' was ever supposed to just naturally fade away was left undiscussed, and clearly never occurred." - "Marx's writing, while a well-reasoned critique of capitalism, failed to provide a workable alternate solution." Both of these were from fairly leftist professors. One should note that, at this point, "Western Systems" are really all that's left, so yes, there's going to be more criticism of them. The Soviet Union collapsed. And China is now some sort of weird hybrid system - and if you're seriously going to argue that there's not academics in the humanities criticizing China, I really don't know what to say.