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Hopefully. We've actually seen some (mostly superficial) activity in Sails recently, which is surprising and encouraging. Trails is actually much more modular

Hopefully. We've actually seen some (mostly superficial) activity in Sails recently, which is surprising and encouraging. Trails is actually much more modular than Sails. The goal is the same -- to make your life easier -- and the conventions are rails-like (indeed, compatible wiyh Sails) but the technical design is completely different and actually quite a bit more "node-like". Keep in mind that Trails is not a fork, but a Sails-compatible re-write. So there's no upstream code-level reconciliation that can happen, but I'm sure both projects can coexist and compete in the framework market on their merits.

jon-wood 11y ago
> Keep in mind that Trails is not a fork, but a Sails-compatible re-write. So there's no upstream code-level reconciliation that can happen, but I'm sure both projects can coexist and compete in the framework market on their merits. The same could have been said of Rails and Merb back in the day, but they eventually combined efforts, and rolled the concepts that people liked from Merb back into Rails. It wasn't a case of just copying the code over, but it still allowed proving the ideas in the real world.
- nodenodenode 11y ago
  The key difference being that the Rails and Merb teams were full of great engineers, and that Merb was mostly meant to solve some specific Rails pain points. Native english speakers on the Merb team also probably could avoid using "actually" three times in two sentences. The Trails project seems like a lot of flash and "saying the right things" with personal enmity. for now there's no reason to expect it to be a better project than SailsJS in any way. The trailpack abstraction ... amateur hour, or cynically, focus on branding. Don't use these projects that are just designed to run consulting shops, seriously! I mean come on, they're actually flying aorund the country to user groups to market the thing ... lol.
  - traviswebb 11y ago
    > for now there's no reason to expect it to be a better project than SailsJS in any way "nodenodenode" account created 12 hours ago just to write this comment. I wonder who this is...
    - mikermcneil 11y ago
      Certainly you're not alleging that I created that account to write that comment? Not only do I not have time for that kind of dishonesty, Sails was created while I was running one of those "kind of consulting shops". Please leave me and my team alone.

jon-wood 11y ago

> Keep in mind that Trails is not a fork, but a Sails-compatible re-write. So there's no upstream code-level reconciliation that can happen, but I'm sure both projects can coexist and compete in the framework market on their merits. The same could have been said of Rails and Merb back in the day, but they eventually combined efforts, and rolled the concepts that people liked from Merb back into Rails. It wasn't a case of just copying the code over, but it still allowed proving the ideas in the real world.

nodenodenode 11y ago
The key difference being that the Rails and Merb teams were full of great engineers, and that Merb was mostly meant to solve some specific Rails pain points. Native english speakers on the Merb team also probably could avoid using "actually" three times in two sentences. The Trails project seems like a lot of flash and "saying the right things" with personal enmity. for now there's no reason to expect it to be a better project than SailsJS in any way. The trailpack abstraction ... amateur hour, or cynically, focus on branding. Don't use these projects that are just designed to run consulting shops, seriously! I mean come on, they're actually flying aorund the country to user groups to market the thing ... lol.
- traviswebb 11y ago
  > for now there's no reason to expect it to be a better project than SailsJS in any way "nodenodenode" account created 12 hours ago just to write this comment. I wonder who this is...
  - mikermcneil 11y ago
    Certainly you're not alleging that I created that account to write that comment? Not only do I not have time for that kind of dishonesty, Sails was created while I was running one of those "kind of consulting shops". Please leave me and my team alone.