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I don't know how to put this, but as leftist I've followed the discussion about safe spaces, GamerGate, "SJWs", minorities in tech, etc. with utter bewilderment

I don't know how to put this, but as leftist I've followed the discussion about safe spaces, GamerGate, "SJWs", minorities in tech, etc. with utter bewilderment. There is so much toxic language on both sides that I'm really at a loss here. Most of the 'Anti-SJW' crowd seem to believe that a conservative, propagandist mouth-piece like Breitbart is a shining example of unbiased journalism. Ayn Rand seems to their demi-god and fat-shaming and victim blaming seems to be the norm. But this is not what really bothers me, because frankly, it's just the same-old stuff in new packaging. I expect nothing less from that crowd. What bothers me is that the same techniques are being used on the side I identify myself with. A lot of white men suffer. To me this is not just a question of race, color or gender, but of class and social dynamics. I find that a lot of the language used on the progressive side simply ignores this fact or even tries to deny it.

rewqfdsa 11y ago
> conservative, propagandist mouth-piece like Breitbart is a shining example of unbiased journalism Breitbart is hardly an unbiased source, but it's not all bad --- Breitbart's coverage of SJW overreach in technology has been particularly informative --- and its pieces are generally fact-based. Breitbart is one of the only publications willing to talk about left-authoritarian overreach in technology. It's depressing and demoralizing when major publications like The Atlantic and the New York Times act as stenographers for the grievance industry, when they publish lies like the wage gap as truth, when they unerringly support one side's claims of harassment and ignore bad behavior on the other side. The New York Times, in particular, feels like it's one step short of just running "#KILLALLMEN" as a front-page editorial. Fortunately, these publications are increasingly out of step with public opinion, so much so that many of them are shutting down their comments sections. (No, people who disagree with you are not "trolls".)
lillian-lemmer 11y ago
Sorry, but if you took any minority or underpriv'd person (trans, female, black, etc.), and "made" them a CIS white male, their life would be easier and they'd face less problems. Also privilege isn't about who's life is harder, it's about the abilities afforded/predisposed to you by society because of how you're labeled. Also nobody doubts that poverty is a huge issue. Imagine being a poor man. Now imagine being a poor trans woman. Do you have any idea?

rewqfdsa 11y ago

> conservative, propagandist mouth-piece like Breitbart is a shining example of unbiased journalism Breitbart is hardly an unbiased source, but it's not all bad --- Breitbart's coverage of SJW overreach in technology has been particularly informative --- and its pieces are generally fact-based. Breitbart is one of the only publications willing to talk about left-authoritarian overreach in technology. It's depressing and demoralizing when major publications like The Atlantic and the New York Times act as stenographers for the grievance industry, when they publish lies like the wage gap as truth, when they unerringly support one side's claims of harassment and ignore bad behavior on the other side. The New York Times, in particular, feels like it's one step short of just running "#KILLALLMEN" as a front-page editorial. Fortunately, these publications are increasingly out of step with public opinion, so much so that many of them are shutting down their comments sections. (No, people who disagree with you are not "trolls".)

lillian-lemmer 11y ago

Sorry, but if you took any minority or underpriv'd person (trans, female, black, etc.), and "made" them a CIS white male, their life would be easier and they'd face less problems. Also privilege isn't about who's life is harder, it's about the abilities afforded/predisposed to you by society because of how you're labeled. Also nobody doubts that poverty is a huge issue. Imagine being a poor man. Now imagine being a poor trans woman. Do you have any idea?