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It is NOT a text editor and I think it's eating that cpu for a good reason.

TeMPOraL 11y ago
It totally is a glorified text editor + some support tools and I'm pretty sure the reason it's eating that CPU is because of piles of unoptimized cruft. Like every other big project in contemporary "it's nil until you ship it" culture.
- ishansharma 11y ago
  PhpStorm/WebIDE is definitely not a glorified text editor. Editor is definitely the core but all the support tools make a big chunk of features and usage. Sure, I can get quite a lot of those features in Sublime with some packages but they aren't that well integrated and easy to use!
- rylee 11y ago
  if you think it's just a text editor and some support tools then switch to vim.
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    I use Emacs for almost everything, so I'm pretty aware where text editing ends and support processing starts. That said, consider Microsoft Word. Since forever, it's been doing similar - if not greater - amount of work processing and reprocessing text every keystroke than IDEs contemporary to it. Yet somehow, it is not bloated, it does - and always did - work well on even low-tier machines. Also compare with OpenOffice, which does more-less the same things, only much slower and buggier. If M$ can keep Word functional and performant, I'm pretty sure Eclipse and IntelliJ could be made fast as well.
    - chris_wot 11y ago
      You were doing well, right up to the moment you stated that Word is not bloated and compared it to OpenOffice (who even uses OpenOffice? Everyone with any clue uses LibreOffice!). P.S. as someone who has commit access to LibreOffice (and much to everyone else's chagrin, sometimes uses it), I could be a little bit biased.
      - TeMPOraL 11y ago
        In my experience of using Word - since mid-90s 'till today - I've never felt it's bloated. It has a lot of features, yes. I don't know what half of them do, true. Recent versions hide them in random places and made the thing a bit confusing to use. But it almost never locks up, it lets me enter text as fast as I type even in very large documents, and generally feels... slick. Not something I could say about OpenOffice when it was "the thing", not something I can say about LibreOffice (sorry). I know that M$ has a pile of hacks going on there, but hey, it works. OTOH, all Java IDEs I've used so far lag by default. It's often about the little things - like those 1 second delays in menus, or 100ms delays between keystroke and letter appearing on screen, etc. Enough to make the experience frustrating. If I keep using them it's only because some advanced features don't have an equivalent (or easily installable equivalent) in Emacs. But it's a tradeoff between having a powerfool tool that I use every once in a while vs. enduring the constant experience of bloat. Features of IDEs are cool, but they seriously need to optimize them. And to stop assuming that every developer gets to work on a brand-new machine. Maybe it's true in the US, but it's not true in other places (sometimes because managers don't see a problem with paying developers $lot but then being cheap on the equipment those same developers have to work on).
        lostlogin 11y ago
        Your first paragraph is pretty much my definition of bloat. I've just come back to Word (work uses it) after a 10 year break. Things have got a lot worse (slower, hard to find, massive bloat, irritating layout) in that time imho.
        jwagenet 11y ago
        Word 97 ran and opened faster on my old Pentium Windows 95 machine than Word 07 runs on my i5 Windows 7 machine. New features are great, but there is sluggishness and its unacceptable on modern hardware.
  - auvrw 11y ago
    or use both: write (enter and rearrange text) in an editor, manage (refactor and debug projects) in an ide. i've found emacs + intellij to support a workflow for java that i couldn't easily duplicate with either on its own.
- hrabago 11y ago
  Like others have pointed out, it is not a glorified text editor. Keep in mind that JetBrains IDEs started not as a text editor, but as a rename utility. So really, it's closer to an AST tool with text-editing features.
- tremguy 11y ago
  Doesn't anyone here have any sense for some sarcasm?

It totally is a glorified text editor + some support tools and I'm pretty sure the reason it's eating that CPU is because of piles of unoptimized cruft. Like every other big project in contemporary "it's nil until you ship it" culture.

ishansharma 11y ago
PhpStorm/WebIDE is definitely not a glorified text editor. Editor is definitely the core but all the support tools make a big chunk of features and usage. Sure, I can get quite a lot of those features in Sublime with some packages but they aren't that well integrated and easy to use!
rylee 11y ago
if you think it's just a text editor and some support tools then switch to vim.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  I use Emacs for almost everything, so I'm pretty aware where text editing ends and support processing starts. That said, consider Microsoft Word. Since forever, it's been doing similar - if not greater - amount of work processing and reprocessing text every keystroke than IDEs contemporary to it. Yet somehow, it is not bloated, it does - and always did - work well on even low-tier machines. Also compare with OpenOffice, which does more-less the same things, only much slower and buggier. If M$ can keep Word functional and performant, I'm pretty sure Eclipse and IntelliJ could be made fast as well.
  - chris_wot 11y ago
    You were doing well, right up to the moment you stated that Word is not bloated and compared it to OpenOffice (who even uses OpenOffice? Everyone with any clue uses LibreOffice!). P.S. as someone who has commit access to LibreOffice (and much to everyone else's chagrin, sometimes uses it), I could be a little bit biased.
    - TeMPOraL 11y ago
      In my experience of using Word - since mid-90s 'till today - I've never felt it's bloated. It has a lot of features, yes. I don't know what half of them do, true. Recent versions hide them in random places and made the thing a bit confusing to use. But it almost never locks up, it lets me enter text as fast as I type even in very large documents, and generally feels... slick. Not something I could say about OpenOffice when it was "the thing", not something I can say about LibreOffice (sorry). I know that M$ has a pile of hacks going on there, but hey, it works. OTOH, all Java IDEs I've used so far lag by default. It's often about the little things - like those 1 second delays in menus, or 100ms delays between keystroke and letter appearing on screen, etc. Enough to make the experience frustrating. If I keep using them it's only because some advanced features don't have an equivalent (or easily installable equivalent) in Emacs. But it's a tradeoff between having a powerfool tool that I use every once in a while vs. enduring the constant experience of bloat. Features of IDEs are cool, but they seriously need to optimize them. And to stop assuming that every developer gets to work on a brand-new machine. Maybe it's true in the US, but it's not true in other places (sometimes because managers don't see a problem with paying developers $lot but then being cheap on the equipment those same developers have to work on).
      - lostlogin 11y ago
        Your first paragraph is pretty much my definition of bloat. I've just come back to Word (work uses it) after a 10 year break. Things have got a lot worse (slower, hard to find, massive bloat, irritating layout) in that time imho.
      - jwagenet 11y ago
        Word 97 ran and opened faster on my old Pentium Windows 95 machine than Word 07 runs on my i5 Windows 7 machine. New features are great, but there is sluggishness and its unacceptable on modern hardware.
- auvrw 11y ago
  or use both: write (enter and rearrange text) in an editor, manage (refactor and debug projects) in an ide. i've found emacs + intellij to support a workflow for java that i couldn't easily duplicate with either on its own.
hrabago 11y ago
Like others have pointed out, it is not a glorified text editor. Keep in mind that JetBrains IDEs started not as a text editor, but as a rename utility. So really, it's closer to an AST tool with text-editing features.
tremguy 11y ago
Doesn't anyone here have any sense for some sarcasm?