13 ms·

Here's what confuses me. What actually happened to her? Without any context, all this can really be is her word against someone else's. She says she forwarded o

Here's what confuses me. What actually happened to her? Without any context, all this can really be is her word against someone else's. She says she forwarded on relevant harassment incidents, but without context, the actual truth of what happened to her is unknown. >Don’t tell people to stay quiet about abuse. This removes them from their support network of friends and family. Didn't they just tell her to stop talking about it in public, though? And really what mechanism does anyone have to force her to do this? >If you’re a dude, don’t reach out to women leaving other open source projects saying “join us here!” On the surface, that sounds like she wants men to...not be welcoming? This is, perhaps, poorly worded. >You have no idea if women in the community have problems or not. Women will talk to other women about the quality of the community. But it’s also just really bad taste. Instead, find someone in your community that is also part of that minority group to reach out. They’ll know more about potential issues than you will. Not sure how this follows from the previous sentence. How is it in bad taste to reach out to someone in a welcoming way? Does this mean that I, as a straight white male, should only communicate with other straight white males? She probably doesn't mean it this way, but boy, am I confused. >Publicly stand behind the women in your community, or eventually they will leave and write a post just like this. I find it amusing that someone who has written a tool that allows you to filter out a specific block of individuals (as trollish as they may be) can write this post at all. The cynical side of me thinks the attitude shown here is, "Hear me, but here's a way you can systematically ignore people that I fundamentally disagree with". I often feel like tolerance and progressivism has wrapped all the way around to discrimination. Am I wrong to feel that is part of what's happening here? EDIT: I'd like to make it clear that I'm genuinely not trying to troll. If I'm being wrongheaded, then please show me how my thinking is wrong.

DanBC 11y ago
> I find it amusing that someone who has written a tool that allows you to filter out a specific block of individuals (as trollish as they may be) can write this post at all. The cynical side of me thinks the attitude shown here is, "Hear me, but here's a way you can systematically ignore people that I fundamentally disagree with". Give me your twitter handle, and your employer's email address, and I'll send 800 death threat tweets and I'll spend weeks bombarding your employer with stuff. One thing that is often said to the victims of trolls is "just ignore it" (we see that in this thread), so she wrote a tool that allows her to just ignore it and you're telling her that she's wrong.
- engi_nerd 11y ago
  It also allows people to block certain hashtags, thus blocking an entire category of people, both good and bad. I am certainly not saying that she should ignore harassment. Let me be clear: harassment is not okay. But I couldn't help reflecting on the irony that she has also produced a tool that allows you to filter out an entire category of people on twitter.
- 5F36B5F62640 11y ago
  Her blocking tool is idiotic. It blocks people whose only offense it to follow more than one account on Twitter from a small list of accounts that she considers to be GG leaders. It ends up blocking many anti-GG people who are following those accounts because they want to know what their opponents are up to.
  - engi_nerd 11y ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2no4me/im_a_developer_on_the_blocklist_what_do_i_do_now/ https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2no4me/im_a... There's no good mechanism for this case, either.
    - engi_nerd 11y ago
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/14iu4XVTKw2tSAlv3x8ktxQfz550bB_EtoUjNYIdPCpk/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/14iu4XVTKw2tSAlv3x8ktxQfz... There is an appeals process, it turns out.
  - scholia 11y ago
    > It ends up blocking many anti-GG people who are following those accounts because they want to know what their opponents are up to. Sad to hear that some Twitter users are not making the best use of its features. It's very easy to create a list of Nero and his flying monkeys, and you can add people to a list without following them. You can keep the list private so nobody knows you're even doing it. It's also much more efficient. In the normal use of Twitter (dipping into a stream), you are highly unlikely to see most of any account's tweets. With a list, you can see all the tweets you want whenever you want. (Sorry this is off-topic, but it might help someone who hasn't used the Lists feature, which Twitter hides away.)

DanBC 11y ago

> I find it amusing that someone who has written a tool that allows you to filter out a specific block of individuals (as trollish as they may be) can write this post at all. The cynical side of me thinks the attitude shown here is, "Hear me, but here's a way you can systematically ignore people that I fundamentally disagree with". Give me your twitter handle, and your employer's email address, and I'll send 800 death threat tweets and I'll spend weeks bombarding your employer with stuff. One thing that is often said to the victims of trolls is "just ignore it" (we see that in this thread), so she wrote a tool that allows her to just ignore it and you're telling her that she's wrong.

engi_nerd 11y ago
It also allows people to block certain hashtags, thus blocking an entire category of people, both good and bad. I am certainly not saying that she should ignore harassment. Let me be clear: harassment is not okay. But I couldn't help reflecting on the irony that she has also produced a tool that allows you to filter out an entire category of people on twitter.
5F36B5F62640 11y ago
Her blocking tool is idiotic. It blocks people whose only offense it to follow more than one account on Twitter from a small list of accounts that she considers to be GG leaders. It ends up blocking many anti-GG people who are following those accounts because they want to know what their opponents are up to.
- engi_nerd 11y ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2no4me/im_a_developer_on_the_blocklist_what_do_i_do_now/ https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2no4me/im_a... There's no good mechanism for this case, either.
  - engi_nerd 11y ago
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/14iu4XVTKw2tSAlv3x8ktxQfz550bB_EtoUjNYIdPCpk/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/14iu4XVTKw2tSAlv3x8ktxQfz... There is an appeals process, it turns out.
- scholia 11y ago
  > It ends up blocking many anti-GG people who are following those accounts because they want to know what their opponents are up to. Sad to hear that some Twitter users are not making the best use of its features. It's very easy to create a list of Nero and his flying monkeys, and you can add people to a list without following them. You can keep the list private so nobody knows you're even doing it. It's also much more efficient. In the normal use of Twitter (dipping into a stream), you are highly unlikely to see most of any account's tweets. With a list, you can see all the tweets you want whenever you want. (Sorry this is off-topic, but it might help someone who hasn't used the Lists feature, which Twitter hides away.)