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He should have been expelled the second he was harshly transphobic to me, e.g., calling me a "tranny." I'm the trans woman Randi talks about in that article. Th

He should have been expelled the second he was harshly transphobic to me, e.g., calling me a "tranny." I'm the trans woman Randi talks about in that article. There were many times he should have been kicked out, but in the end nobody cared enough about women's issues, or there was no real recourse for such. But since that didn't happen, Randi is trying to bring attention to the fact that the above isn't how things work. EDIT TO CLARIFY: the man I'm referring to is the FreeBSD contributor Randi Harper speaks of in the article, not the voosh guy.

dogma1138 11y ago
I would bet you that I've been called "jew" more times than you been called a "tranny" over the internet usually followed by about 20min of heil hitler spam and other funny jokes from various IRC bots, I just shrugged it off....
- lillian-lemmer 11y ago
  Every time you step out the door do you wonder if you'll be killed for who you are? Do you worry that you can't go to the police for who you are? Do you ever worry about fighting an entire legal and medical system to be who you are? Etc.
  - dogma1138 11y ago
    >When (Every time) you step out the door do you wonder if you'll be killed for who you are Yes. >Did (do) you worry that you can't go to the police for who you are Yes. Most recently in Malmo.
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- awesomerobot 11y ago
  It seems weird to say "this shitty thing happens to me too" and instead of commiserating and saying "this shitty thing shouldn't happen to anyone" you essentially say "stop complaining."
  - dogma1138 11y ago
    "this shitty thing shouldn't happen to anyone" you are not going to abolish "harassment" (I intentionally used quotation marks I don't some one who uses slur or thinks you shouldn't exist as harassment just another idiot with an opinion...) from human cloture it's included in the price you pay for living in a free society where free speech is an actuality and not a slogan. You won't cure the world of idiots, troll, or even simply cruel people and the price you'll pay in trying is way too high for my taste.
    - geofft 11y ago
      I'm not entirely sure that it's to the advantage of an operating system development project to have free speech as an ideal. At the very least, there's the empirical argument that the major operating systems are overwhelmingly developed by private corporations, and you can be sure that if a developer said "hey, this new hire is getting his white supremacist followers on Twitter to attack me," the new hire wouldn't be working on that project very much more. And we generally don't find the price of this less-than-free speech too much to pay. Can you explain why it helps develop a better net installer or Linux emulation layer to be able to use slurs against fellow developers?
      - dogma1138 11y ago
        What this has to do with software development? A COC has nothing to do with software development it's not enforcing anything related to actually committing code and collaborating. A COC forces you to be compliant to it every where on social media, on regular media, in person, on private forums... everywhere - this is thought police. A COC forces you to "hide" your personal beliefs, ideas, who you vote for who you donate money to etc. on the off chance they might be considered offensive to some one. We already had a CEO who had to resign due to a political donation, COC's will have the same effect you post something offensive on facebook? you're out, you go to a political rally that some one finds offensive? well though luck. If COC's only covered official project channels no one would care about them, and the people that want them would not push with such vigor because they could not be used for thought policing. On a side note I find it ironic that people who had to hide who they are for most of history and maybe for most of their lives want to force the same thing on other people just because of their personal beliefs. And on another side note the wworse of the humanity tends to fester in dark rooms when things are out in the open you know here everyone stands and you can ridicule them for that if you want.
engi_nerd 11y ago
I have no feelings of transphobia whatsoever and it's only within the past year or so that I learned that "tranny" is offensive. This is not me saying that his comment wasn't transphobic (because how would I know? but you certainly would) I'm merely lamenting my past ignorance.
- rewqfdsa 11y ago
  Congratulations! Your past views are incompatible with the present mob. You are now disqualified from running a technology company.
  - engi_nerd 11y ago
    Well, I never put much stock in mob thinking, so that's okay.
meesterdude 11y ago
I don't understand how that could ever come up. How you being trans has any bearing whatsoever at all in your involvement with the community. You don't have to like it(trans), or understand it; but you do have to accept it, and be accepting. And there's just no excuse or room for that kind of thing in a project. Maybe on 4chan and maybe on reddit, but not in an OSS project. Who the fuck acts like that? I just don't get it.

dogma1138 11y ago

I would bet you that I've been called "jew" more times than you been called a "tranny" over the internet usually followed by about 20min of heil hitler spam and other funny jokes from various IRC bots, I just shrugged it off....

lillian-lemmer 11y ago
Every time you step out the door do you wonder if you'll be killed for who you are? Do you worry that you can't go to the police for who you are? Do you ever worry about fighting an entire legal and medical system to be who you are? Etc.
- dogma1138 11y ago
  >When (Every time) you step out the door do you wonder if you'll be killed for who you are Yes. >Did (do) you worry that you can't go to the police for who you are Yes. Most recently in Malmo.
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awesomerobot 11y ago
It seems weird to say "this shitty thing happens to me too" and instead of commiserating and saying "this shitty thing shouldn't happen to anyone" you essentially say "stop complaining."
- dogma1138 11y ago
  "this shitty thing shouldn't happen to anyone" you are not going to abolish "harassment" (I intentionally used quotation marks I don't some one who uses slur or thinks you shouldn't exist as harassment just another idiot with an opinion...) from human cloture it's included in the price you pay for living in a free society where free speech is an actuality and not a slogan. You won't cure the world of idiots, troll, or even simply cruel people and the price you'll pay in trying is way too high for my taste.
  - geofft 11y ago
    I'm not entirely sure that it's to the advantage of an operating system development project to have free speech as an ideal. At the very least, there's the empirical argument that the major operating systems are overwhelmingly developed by private corporations, and you can be sure that if a developer said "hey, this new hire is getting his white supremacist followers on Twitter to attack me," the new hire wouldn't be working on that project very much more. And we generally don't find the price of this less-than-free speech too much to pay. Can you explain why it helps develop a better net installer or Linux emulation layer to be able to use slurs against fellow developers?
    - dogma1138 11y ago
      What this has to do with software development? A COC has nothing to do with software development it's not enforcing anything related to actually committing code and collaborating. A COC forces you to be compliant to it every where on social media, on regular media, in person, on private forums... everywhere - this is thought police. A COC forces you to "hide" your personal beliefs, ideas, who you vote for who you donate money to etc. on the off chance they might be considered offensive to some one. We already had a CEO who had to resign due to a political donation, COC's will have the same effect you post something offensive on facebook? you're out, you go to a political rally that some one finds offensive? well though luck. If COC's only covered official project channels no one would care about them, and the people that want them would not push with such vigor because they could not be used for thought policing. On a side note I find it ironic that people who had to hide who they are for most of history and maybe for most of their lives want to force the same thing on other people just because of their personal beliefs. And on another side note the wworse of the humanity tends to fester in dark rooms when things are out in the open you know here everyone stands and you can ridicule them for that if you want.

engi_nerd 11y ago

I have no feelings of transphobia whatsoever and it's only within the past year or so that I learned that "tranny" is offensive. This is not me saying that his comment wasn't transphobic (because how would I know? but you certainly would) I'm merely lamenting my past ignorance.

rewqfdsa 11y ago
Congratulations! Your past views are incompatible with the present mob. You are now disqualified from running a technology company.
- engi_nerd 11y ago
  Well, I never put much stock in mob thinking, so that's okay.

meesterdude 11y ago

I don't understand how that could ever come up. How you being trans has any bearing whatsoever at all in your involvement with the community. You don't have to like it(trans), or understand it; but you do have to accept it, and be accepting. And there's just no excuse or room for that kind of thing in a project. Maybe on 4chan and maybe on reddit, but not in an OSS project. Who the fuck acts like that? I just don't get it.