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He writes such extreme things to get a reaction (and a following of complete morons). Attention is oxygen in that business. Not that that makes it any better of

He writes such extreme things to get a reaction (and a following of complete morons). Attention is oxygen in that business. Not that that makes it any better of course. Notice how you said it's "almost entertaining", well, that's what he's aiming for.

lillian-lemmer 11y ago
Don't do this. It's implying that people should just "not be hurt by it and move on." ... That the problem is with the people reacting. Surely, I agree that giving attention to stuff often fuels the flames, but the answer isn't to place the burden on the victims. The answer is to actually DEAL with the issue and have shit HAPPEN to make people (women, trans, queer, minorities) safer!
- fleitz 11y ago
  You can tell from identity politics in the brackets who is people and who isn't people. Why not just say what you mean?
geofft 11y ago
OK, so if that's true, then by treating him as a legitimate member of the community and not making any sort of statement against his views, the FreeBSD project is giving him attention, and they should stop doing that. Which is exactly what Randi asked for. It's one thing if you keep your horrible-person persona separate from your technical one (as e.g. the Strange Loop thing earlier this year), although I still think it's legitimate to say that's too much. But when someone is deliberately tying their work in a project with their views that drive out other people from that same project, it's not giving them attention to kick them out. It's giving them attention to keep them in.
- unimpressive 11y ago
  Not that it's worth a whole lot, but Mr. 'legalize rape' Roosh and the person being discussed in the OP are separate persons. The latter is explicit friends with the former.
- lillian-lemmer 11y ago
  He should have been expelled the second he was harshly transphobic to me, e.g., calling me a "tranny." I'm the trans woman Randi talks about in that article. There were many times he should have been kicked out, but in the end nobody cared enough about women's issues, or there was no real recourse for such. But since that didn't happen, Randi is trying to bring attention to the fact that the above isn't how things work. EDIT TO CLARIFY: the man I'm referring to is the FreeBSD contributor Randi Harper speaks of in the article, not the voosh guy.
  - dogma1138 11y ago
    I would bet you that I've been called "jew" more times than you been called a "tranny" over the internet usually followed by about 20min of heil hitler spam and other funny jokes from various IRC bots, I just shrugged it off....
    - lillian-lemmer 11y ago
      Every time you step out the door do you wonder if you'll be killed for who you are? Do you worry that you can't go to the police for who you are? Do you ever worry about fighting an entire legal and medical system to be who you are? Etc.
      - dogma1138 11y ago
        >When (Every time) you step out the door do you wonder if you'll be killed for who you are Yes. >Did (do) you worry that you can't go to the police for who you are Yes. Most recently in Malmo.
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    - awesomerobot 11y ago
      It seems weird to say "this shitty thing happens to me too" and instead of commiserating and saying "this shitty thing shouldn't happen to anyone" you essentially say "stop complaining."
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lillian-lemmer 11y ago

Don't do this. It's implying that people should just "not be hurt by it and move on." ... That the problem is with the people reacting. Surely, I agree that giving attention to stuff often fuels the flames, but the answer isn't to place the burden on the victims. The answer is to actually DEAL with the issue and have shit HAPPEN to make people (women, trans, queer, minorities) safer!

fleitz 11y ago
You can tell from identity politics in the brackets who is people and who isn't people. Why not just say what you mean?

geofft 11y ago

OK, so if that's true, then by treating him as a legitimate member of the community and not making any sort of statement against his views, the FreeBSD project is giving him attention, and they should stop doing that. Which is exactly what Randi asked for. It's one thing if you keep your horrible-person persona separate from your technical one (as e.g. the Strange Loop thing earlier this year), although I still think it's legitimate to say that's too much. But when someone is deliberately tying their work in a project with their views that drive out other people from that same project, it's not giving them attention to kick them out. It's giving them attention to keep them in.

unimpressive 11y ago
Not that it's worth a whole lot, but Mr. 'legalize rape' Roosh and the person being discussed in the OP are separate persons. The latter is explicit friends with the former.
lillian-lemmer 11y ago
He should have been expelled the second he was harshly transphobic to me, e.g., calling me a "tranny." I'm the trans woman Randi talks about in that article. There were many times he should have been kicked out, but in the end nobody cared enough about women's issues, or there was no real recourse for such. But since that didn't happen, Randi is trying to bring attention to the fact that the above isn't how things work. EDIT TO CLARIFY: the man I'm referring to is the FreeBSD contributor Randi Harper speaks of in the article, not the voosh guy.
- dogma1138 11y ago
  I would bet you that I've been called "jew" more times than you been called a "tranny" over the internet usually followed by about 20min of heil hitler spam and other funny jokes from various IRC bots, I just shrugged it off....
  - lillian-lemmer 11y ago
    Every time you step out the door do you wonder if you'll be killed for who you are? Do you worry that you can't go to the police for who you are? Do you ever worry about fighting an entire legal and medical system to be who you are? Etc.
    - dogma1138 11y ago
      >When (Every time) you step out the door do you wonder if you'll be killed for who you are Yes. >Did (do) you worry that you can't go to the police for who you are Yes. Most recently in Malmo.
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  - awesomerobot 11y ago
    It seems weird to say "this shitty thing happens to me too" and instead of commiserating and saying "this shitty thing shouldn't happen to anyone" you essentially say "stop complaining."

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