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Ryan Sleevi, of the Chrome PKI team, has written a much more detailed analysis of the Cloudflare proposal and its caveats. I recommend you read them before voic

by jvehent 11y ago

Ryan Sleevi, of the Chrome PKI team, has written a much more detailed analysis of the Cloudflare proposal and its caveats. I recommend you read them before voicing an opinion on this topic, because it is a complex one. 1. https://medium.com/@sleevi_/a-history-of-hard-choices-c1e1cc9bb089#.mdfi0lung https://medium.com/@sleevi_/a-history-of-hard-choices-c1e1cc... 2. https://medium.com/@sleevi_/legacy-verified-legacy-solutions-15eb688716e4#.uioly27l9 https://medium.com/@sleevi_/legacy-verified-legacy-solutions... Today is the last day to get SHA-1 certs issued. We, at Mozilla, stocked up on SHA-1 certs that expire 39 months from now, so we can keep serving old clients up until March 2019 using cert switching technology. Most organizations that want to keep supporting old clients have done similar things. Smaller companies typically don't care about old clients, and most likely already broke compatibility with them by using various modern web stacks.

yuhong 11y ago
Chrome BTW plans to remove pre-Win7 support in early 2016. I was pushing for Firefox to at least remove XP SP2 support in 2016.
- colejohnson66 11y ago
  Why not pre-Vista? Besides the bad rap because driver developers took advantage of undocumented features (among other reasons), how is it different architecturally from 7? Internally, Vista and up are all NT 6.x releases (XP was 5.x): Vista was 6.0, 7 was 6.1, 8 was 6.2, etc.
  - yuhong 11y ago
    Win7 does have plenty of API changes too, and Vista never had much of a market share.
  - toast0 11y ago
    Windows Vista has fewer users than XP, so if you're OK with the consequences of dropping support for XP to simplify your life, you should be ok dropping Vista too. Same thing with dropping IE7 at the same time as IE6. Added: yes, you could use this argument to say you don't need to support Windows 10 either, but Windows 10 is probably going to get more users over time, as opposed to Vista. Windows 8.0 is also less than XP, but since 7 and 8.1 are big, it's probably not a great idea to leave a hole in your supported os chart.
    - RaleyField 11y ago
      > so if you're OK with the consequences of dropping support for XP to simplify your life XP is EOL, Vista is not. XP users ought not to connect to the internet.
  - Laforet 11y ago
    Windows 7 added a number of APIs on top of Vista so implementing backward compatibility means a lot of additional complexity with minimal benefit. A prime example is the windows build of Electron (https://github.com/atom/electron https://github.com/atom/electron) that uses some touch control and notification APIs that are only available in Windows 7 and later. People have been asking for a long time for Windows XP compatibility and the answer has always been a firm NO.

by jvehent 11y ago

yuhong 11y ago

Chrome BTW plans to remove pre-Win7 support in early 2016. I was pushing for Firefox to at least remove XP SP2 support in 2016.

colejohnson66 11y ago
Why not pre-Vista? Besides the bad rap because driver developers took advantage of undocumented features (among other reasons), how is it different architecturally from 7? Internally, Vista and up are all NT 6.x releases (XP was 5.x): Vista was 6.0, 7 was 6.1, 8 was 6.2, etc.
- yuhong 11y ago
  Win7 does have plenty of API changes too, and Vista never had much of a market share.
- toast0 11y ago
  Windows Vista has fewer users than XP, so if you're OK with the consequences of dropping support for XP to simplify your life, you should be ok dropping Vista too. Same thing with dropping IE7 at the same time as IE6. Added: yes, you could use this argument to say you don't need to support Windows 10 either, but Windows 10 is probably going to get more users over time, as opposed to Vista. Windows 8.0 is also less than XP, but since 7 and 8.1 are big, it's probably not a great idea to leave a hole in your supported os chart.
  - RaleyField 11y ago
    > so if you're OK with the consequences of dropping support for XP to simplify your life XP is EOL, Vista is not. XP users ought not to connect to the internet.
- Laforet 11y ago
  Windows 7 added a number of APIs on top of Vista so implementing backward compatibility means a lot of additional complexity with minimal benefit. A prime example is the windows build of Electron (https://github.com/atom/electron https://github.com/atom/electron) that uses some touch control and notification APIs that are only available in Windows 7 and later. People have been asking for a long time for Windows XP compatibility and the answer has always been a firm NO.