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Issuing 10,000 options and not telling you how many options are outstanding is very very common for startups, unfortunately. I don't know how many times I've j
by mpdehaan2 11y ago
Issuing 10,000 options and not telling you how many options are outstanding is very very common for startups, unfortunately. I don't know how many times I've joined companies that listed 10,000 options and I was too dumb to question it.
In many cases, it's because they don't want non-executive employees to be able to know certain financial details, including the valuation of the company. I wish this wasn't the case, but the reasons for it seem logical and in fact fair - it's just that many people assume this is a lot when it probably isn't.
The downside is many people are apt to accept, thinking 10,000 in options is a "lot", and I've made that mistake in the past. In an A round startup, this number could easily be in the several millions of shares outstanding, and likely is. If it's gone through several funding rounds, it's likely even less. 10,000 in a C round is significantly less if they have divided the stock by 10x or more in the previous rounds.
Executives could be pulling in whole percentages of the company, or multiples thereof, and one of the first few members of technical staff could basically be looking at a year's salary or less in payout if the company would sell in 5-8 years.
The percentage of the companys that make it is also a factor. While the article focused on needing to stay at a company, it's fair to consider that the great majority of startups are going to fail or be very small acquisitions (asset deals, acqui-hiring, etc). In these positions, the VCs will get paid first, and there may not be much if anything left.
Another possibility is the company is sold for small prices but the CEO could secure a very very nice deal to join the new company (plus bonuses), which has happened on more than one occasion.
A VC only needs a small fraction of his portfolio to do big exits, so they make lots of bets.
Stock is a huge gamble. I don't recommend "no stock, just cash", but don't ever let someone underpay you on hopes the stock event will happen.
Stock is being used as a retention tool, and that's the design of it, unfortunately.
I'd be much more in favor of equitable profit sharing as a retention tool - suppose a company decides to give away X% of it's profits back to employees forever, and this is done in a way where it isn't the CEO/leaders making all the money. Instead say in a 50 person company, 10% of the profits always go back to the people, and each person gets 1/50th.
This also eliminates sales commission on large deals and makes everyone part of the deal (the whole company) profits - also no quarterly targets, personal bonus tiers, executive bonuses, or anything like that.
As the company becomes more efficient, those numbers go up, and it keeps things simple.
- bgxor 11y agoIn this "growth above all else" ecosystem, do you think profit sharing could possibly be just as bad? I'm not sure how those deals are usually set up, but unless you set aside a portion of revenue to share I could see people losing out here too. Do you know of good examples of this working? I'm interested in how it might work with a typical startup.
- mpdehaan2 11y agoI don't know of any examples, it just seems like it would be a good way to structure things. I also can't see it being bad if it did not differentiate by position - I've heard a lot about how much, say, enterprise sales pays itself (because effectively it sees the money first and controls who sees the money) and I'd be very wanting to make sure everyone - admin assistants, everyone, who made the organization great had a chance. I think you would want to calculate a % early in the year, and then award that percentage at the end of the year. If you wanted to taper that somewhat by employee reviews I guess you could, but it shouldn't be on quota - and ideally you'd just not continue to employ those people you didn't want to be there. Yes, everybody would lose out if there were no profits. And a lot of startups aren't profitable. But (IMHO) I think that's also where SV investment gets it wrong -- they value growth above profitability sometimes, and this desire for rapid scaling makes or breaks companies, when in the end, I think a greater percentage could be BOTH happy and moderately successful at the same time, rather trying to bust themselves and "go big or go home". This model is probably a LOT easier to adopt in a bootstrapped company, where there's less likely a board to say no to it -- and yeah, if you're not profitable, you wouldn't do it... and you also would be unlikely to have stock anyway.