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Is this part two of "How Completely Messed Up Practices Become Normal"? (Answer: Salon)

sajitmk 11y ago
Hey, I'm a bigot if I don't accept abortion & same-sex marriage.
witty_username 11y ago
Well, pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality. It may be messed up to have that orientation but it's not the person's fault as sexual orientation is impossible to change.
- Crito 11y ago
  Whether or not it is "their fault" that they were born a monster is of no consequence. The question of fault is completely irrelevant. A red herring.
  - rincebrain 11y ago
    Actions, not thoughts, make a monster. Plenty of people have thoughts of harming another human being at some point, relatively few of them ever act on it. Does that mean all of them should be treated as monsters?
    - pluma 11y ago
      Actually it's perfectly normal to have "unwanted thoughts" at varying frequencies. Although some people may not admit to it for various reasons, everybody experiences them sometimes (e.g. imagining harming a baby, which you rationally would never even consider). The difference is that sane people don't act on these thoughts and notice them as unwanted (and seek out psychiatric help if they impact their quality of life). I would imagine it's not any different for pedophiles, except they additionally suffer from an inherently dysfunctional sex life with all the psychological consequences that can have (the one thing that turns them on is the thing they try not to think about).
    - Crito 11y ago
      > Actions, not thoughts, make a monster. I reject that absolutely. I would not want a pedophile in my neighborhood near my children. They are monsters, no matter how they acted thus far I will not wait for somebody to be harmed before I condemn an admitted pedophile. There is no sense in allowing somebody to be harmed first. It is immoral to wait for somebody to be harmed. In waiting for somebody to be harmed, you are essentially offering their victim as a human sacrifice to appease your personal ethical philosophy.
      - aninhumer 11y ago
        >I will not wait for somebody to be harmed before I condemn an admitted pedophile. And by doing so, you ensure that all paedophiles are non-admitted ones. Imagine how much safer that makes your children.
V-2 11y ago
He (and his group) oppose these practices, their agenda seems to be that (some?) paedophiles are capable of self-control and refrain from following their urges, which are wrong. Not that these urges should be acceptable.

Hey, I'm a bigot if I don't accept abortion & same-sex marriage.

Well, pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality. It may be messed up to have that orientation but it's not the person's fault as sexual orientation is impossible to change.

Crito 11y ago
Whether or not it is "their fault" that they were born a monster is of no consequence. The question of fault is completely irrelevant. A red herring.
- rincebrain 11y ago
  Actions, not thoughts, make a monster. Plenty of people have thoughts of harming another human being at some point, relatively few of them ever act on it. Does that mean all of them should be treated as monsters?
  - pluma 11y ago
    Actually it's perfectly normal to have "unwanted thoughts" at varying frequencies. Although some people may not admit to it for various reasons, everybody experiences them sometimes (e.g. imagining harming a baby, which you rationally would never even consider). The difference is that sane people don't act on these thoughts and notice them as unwanted (and seek out psychiatric help if they impact their quality of life). I would imagine it's not any different for pedophiles, except they additionally suffer from an inherently dysfunctional sex life with all the psychological consequences that can have (the one thing that turns them on is the thing they try not to think about).
  - Crito 11y ago
    > Actions, not thoughts, make a monster. I reject that absolutely. I would not want a pedophile in my neighborhood near my children. They are monsters, no matter how they acted thus far I will not wait for somebody to be harmed before I condemn an admitted pedophile. There is no sense in allowing somebody to be harmed first. It is immoral to wait for somebody to be harmed. In waiting for somebody to be harmed, you are essentially offering their victim as a human sacrifice to appease your personal ethical philosophy.
    - aninhumer 11y ago
      >I will not wait for somebody to be harmed before I condemn an admitted pedophile. And by doing so, you ensure that all paedophiles are non-admitted ones. Imagine how much safer that makes your children.

V-2 11y ago

He (and his group) oppose these practices, their agenda seems to be that (some?) paedophiles are capable of self-control and refrain from following their urges, which are wrong. Not that these urges should be acceptable.