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The Economist also has a piece advocating strong crypto and opposing backdoors : The Economist | Internet security: When back doors backfire http://www.economi
by ohthehugemanate 11y ago
The Economist also has a piece advocating strong crypto and opposing backdoors :
The Economist | Internet security: When back doors backfire http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21684783-some-spy-agencies-favour-back-doors-encryption-software-who-will-use-them-when-back?frsc=dg%7Cd http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21684783-some-spy-agen...
One important aspect that is missing from all of these articles though, is that strong encryption doesn't actually lock spooks out. It prevents them from conducting bulk surveillance, but not surveillance in general. One of the most important things we learned from the Snowden revelations is the existence and efficacy of the NSA Tailored Access Operations group, which brags that it can hack into any device, anywhere in the world. They use software bugs and backdoors to get into devices and install keyloggers, remote control software, and similar. They get around encryption by using the rest of the attack surface.
Many HN readers are involved enough in software and hardware to understand that it approaches impossible to protect yourself indefinitely against an advanced persistent threat like the TAO.
So if NSA can already get around encryption when they have a specific target, the only thing encryption blocks them from doing is Orwellian mass surveillance... Something which statisticians agree is useless, technologists agree is dangerous, and voters agree is intrusive.
It kind of blows up the whole security vs privacy false dichotomy, and I wish I saw it in the dialog more.
- oconnor663 11y agoI'm worried about taking the position that mass surveillance is totally useless. It'll backfire if we ever find out that mass surveillance prevented some attack somewhere. Only a matter of time.
- panarky 11y agoHow can an arcane, complex, technical argument ever prevail against raw emotional appeals? "the iPhone will become the phone of choice for the pedophile" [1] (see also terrorist, serial killer, etc.) Immediately after the Paris attacks: "If you create a product that allows these monsters to behave in this way, that’s a big problem." [2] Atrocities are inevitable, and whether the perpetrators use encryption or not, our leaders seize each disaster as an opportunity to push their surveillance agenda. All the informed discussions on HN are worthless against this kind of emotional propaganda. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/26/the-phone-of-choice-for-the-pedophile/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201... [2] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/16/cia-director-john-brennan-criticises-surveillance-reform-paris-attacks http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/16/cia-director-jo...