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> It even quotes a guy pointing out that you get significantly worse value for money hiring americans... Of course you can squeeze more effort out of people yo

> It even quotes a guy pointing out that you get significantly worse value for money hiring americans... Of course you can squeeze more effort out of people you can physically retaliate against (deportation). >less conspiracy theory and more capitalism. More like corporate welfare. The machinery of low fines and US Immigration and Customs Enforcement is a kind of subsidization. From an economic perspective, foreign labor is forced to price themselves below their real value because they are left with no choice in the matter.

jheriko 11y ago
thats not really the implication. it doesn't require squeezing... the implication is that even if paid and treated the same foreign workers are more productive, and this is very easy to believe. i'm not 100% defending the companies here, but there are two sides to this, and we all should be experienced enough to know that mass organised bullying of immigrant workers isn't a thing that you can sneak under the radar these days... its always individuals overstepping their bounds - not big organised conspiracies. it just wouldn't be anywhere near the same kind of problem if the workforce was more motivated and more competitive...
- wyclif 11y ago
  the implication is that even if paid and treated the same But they are not paid and treated the same at all, this is the point. The foreign workers are threatened with deportation. That is a powerful motivator to work faster and harder.
  - jheriko 11y ago
    yes, and even if they weren't, i'm pretty convinced that they would work faster and harder too.
- omegaworks 11y ago
  >even if paid and treated the same foreign workers are more productive >mass organised bullying of immigrant workers isn't a thing that you can sneak under the radar these days These are assertions without any basis in reality.
pliny 11y ago
>More like corporate welfare. The machinery of low fines and US Immigration and Customs Enforcement is a kind of subsidization On the contrary, the government is artificially lowering the supply of labor to protect people who make a living selling their labor. Fines and deportation (and generally any restrictions on immigration) are disincentives to use foreign labor, which is often cheaper and of higher quality compared to domestic labor, the producers that are enjoying a subsidy in this case are laborers, not corporations.

jheriko 11y ago

thats not really the implication. it doesn't require squeezing... the implication is that even if paid and treated the same foreign workers are more productive, and this is very easy to believe. i'm not 100% defending the companies here, but there are two sides to this, and we all should be experienced enough to know that mass organised bullying of immigrant workers isn't a thing that you can sneak under the radar these days... its always individuals overstepping their bounds - not big organised conspiracies. it just wouldn't be anywhere near the same kind of problem if the workforce was more motivated and more competitive...

wyclif 11y ago
the implication is that even if paid and treated the same But they are not paid and treated the same at all, this is the point. The foreign workers are threatened with deportation. That is a powerful motivator to work faster and harder.
- jheriko 11y ago
  yes, and even if they weren't, i'm pretty convinced that they would work faster and harder too.
omegaworks 11y ago
>even if paid and treated the same foreign workers are more productive >mass organised bullying of immigrant workers isn't a thing that you can sneak under the radar these days These are assertions without any basis in reality.

pliny 11y ago

>More like corporate welfare. The machinery of low fines and US Immigration and Customs Enforcement is a kind of subsidization On the contrary, the government is artificially lowering the supply of labor to protect people who make a living selling their labor. Fines and deportation (and generally any restrictions on immigration) are disincentives to use foreign labor, which is often cheaper and of higher quality compared to domestic labor, the producers that are enjoying a subsidy in this case are laborers, not corporations.