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Nor am I, and implying progressives are communists is quite intellectually dishonest.

Mikeb85 11y ago
Nor are you what? I said I agree with Piketty and Marx. Anyhow, the example was just rhetoric. The point is that communism started because people thought it was unfair that there was a rentier class who essentially monopolized wealth because they had inherited wealth. And communism fell because people thought it was unfair that people who were lazy made the same as people who worked hard. Studies have shown that most people in western societies prefer inequality as long as someone has less than them. They think inequality is 'fair'. Why do you think people value celebrities and rich people? People are happy with our 'lottery' system, where anyone can become rich, even if the majority don't, and even if the average struggles...
- gnaritas 11y ago
  And we're back to communism again. This thread has nothing to do with communism. That you keep going there shows you can't have a serious conversation; goodbye.
  - Mikeb85 11y ago
    Socialism, the labour movement, and communism all come from the same place. It's funny, you're arguing for progressive taxation, but you don't understand the history behind labour movements, equal rights, welfare, socialism, etc... Or why communism is relevant in a discussion about rational choice, inequality and perceived fairness. I do get it though - Americans have been taught to hate communism, and thus have purged an entire century of socialist philosophy from their collective thoughts.
    - gnaritas 11y ago
      > Socialism, the labour movement, and communism all come from the same place. That doesn't make them all equivalent. > It's funny, you're arguing for progressive taxation, but you don't understand the history Yes I do, put your phony superiority aside, there's no place for it here. Communism is not relevant just because we're talking about progressive taxation and that you think is simply shows you're too biased to have an intelligent conversation. > I do get it though - Americans have been taught to hate communism, and thus have purged an entire century of socialist philosophy from their collective thoughts. Then you don't get it, because that's not what's happening here. What's happening here is you think you're smarter than you are when you're not even able to engage intelligently in the conversation. A conversation about the fairness of progressive taxation does not have to devolve into a conversation about communism or socialism. You're taking it there because you have nothing more intelligent to offer. You have no thoughts of your own to offer other than regurgitating what you think you remember from history while pretending no one else is aware of history. Your arrogance is sickening. You're a kid, still in college, and you're acting like no one else has heard of history, grow up and learn to engage like an adult. Have some thoughts of your own. No one is here for a history lesson from a kid who screams communism and socialism every time tax policy is brought up.
      - Mikeb85 11y ago
        > A conversation about the fairness of progressive taxation does not have to devolve into a conversation about communism or socialism. Comparing different schools of economic thought absolutely relates to a discussion about rational choice and fairness. > Communism is not relevant just because we're talking about progressive taxation and that you think is simply shows you're too biased to have an intelligent conversation. Too biased? In what direction? Have you even been able to ascertain what my position is? > Your arrogance is sickening. You're a kid, still in college, and you're acting like no one else has heard of history, grow up and learn to engage like an adult. Have some thoughts of your own. Do you know me? Yet you decide to attack me. Here's a few fun facts about me: I'm not a kid, I'm 30 and have been married for 4 years, have already had a successful career and am changing pace for awhile, and I'm in university because I want to be. What I know about you - most of your replies in this thread have been one or two liners about progressiveness, with the words 'marginal utility' occasionally thrown in. > No one is here for a history lesson from a kid who screams communism and socialism every time tax policy is brought up. Again, just 1 question: What do you think my opinion on taxes is?
        gnaritas 11y ago
        You started off your replies by implying progressives are communists with this little nugget > Progressives think it's 'fair' that everyone pays what they can afford. Which is not what progressives believe, and then you went full on communist with this little nugget > Some people also thought "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" was fair. And then you started pretending only you knew history. I don't care what you position is, I'm replying to what you say, not what you think; I can't read your mind, only what you write. > Do you know me? Yet you decide to attack me. I don't have to know you to tell you you're behaving arrogantly, and I haven't attacked you, if you think I have, you don't know what attack means. I've criticized your bad behavior, nothing more. > I'm not a kid, I'm 30 Still a kid to me bub. > Again, just 1 question: What do you think my opinion on taxes is? I know what your position is, you stated it > I'm all for progressive taxation, wealth and inheritance tax, all of it. But I'm also not ignorant of history... But that's not what we're talking about anymore because you can't stop being arrogant and have derailed any conversation to the point that I no longer care what you think. "But I'm also not ignorant of history", please, grow up, your superiority complex is disgusting.

Nor are you what? I said I agree with Piketty and Marx. Anyhow, the example was just rhetoric. The point is that communism started because people thought it was unfair that there was a rentier class who essentially monopolized wealth because they had inherited wealth. And communism fell because people thought it was unfair that people who were lazy made the same as people who worked hard. Studies have shown that most people in western societies prefer inequality as long as someone has less than them. They think inequality is 'fair'. Why do you think people value celebrities and rich people? People are happy with our 'lottery' system, where anyone can become rich, even if the majority don't, and even if the average struggles...

gnaritas 11y ago
And we're back to communism again. This thread has nothing to do with communism. That you keep going there shows you can't have a serious conversation; goodbye.
- Mikeb85 11y ago
  Socialism, the labour movement, and communism all come from the same place. It's funny, you're arguing for progressive taxation, but you don't understand the history behind labour movements, equal rights, welfare, socialism, etc... Or why communism is relevant in a discussion about rational choice, inequality and perceived fairness. I do get it though - Americans have been taught to hate communism, and thus have purged an entire century of socialist philosophy from their collective thoughts.
  - gnaritas 11y ago
    > Socialism, the labour movement, and communism all come from the same place. That doesn't make them all equivalent. > It's funny, you're arguing for progressive taxation, but you don't understand the history Yes I do, put your phony superiority aside, there's no place for it here. Communism is not relevant just because we're talking about progressive taxation and that you think is simply shows you're too biased to have an intelligent conversation. > I do get it though - Americans have been taught to hate communism, and thus have purged an entire century of socialist philosophy from their collective thoughts. Then you don't get it, because that's not what's happening here. What's happening here is you think you're smarter than you are when you're not even able to engage intelligently in the conversation. A conversation about the fairness of progressive taxation does not have to devolve into a conversation about communism or socialism. You're taking it there because you have nothing more intelligent to offer. You have no thoughts of your own to offer other than regurgitating what you think you remember from history while pretending no one else is aware of history. Your arrogance is sickening. You're a kid, still in college, and you're acting like no one else has heard of history, grow up and learn to engage like an adult. Have some thoughts of your own. No one is here for a history lesson from a kid who screams communism and socialism every time tax policy is brought up.
    - Mikeb85 11y ago
      > A conversation about the fairness of progressive taxation does not have to devolve into a conversation about communism or socialism. Comparing different schools of economic thought absolutely relates to a discussion about rational choice and fairness. > Communism is not relevant just because we're talking about progressive taxation and that you think is simply shows you're too biased to have an intelligent conversation. Too biased? In what direction? Have you even been able to ascertain what my position is? > Your arrogance is sickening. You're a kid, still in college, and you're acting like no one else has heard of history, grow up and learn to engage like an adult. Have some thoughts of your own. Do you know me? Yet you decide to attack me. Here's a few fun facts about me: I'm not a kid, I'm 30 and have been married for 4 years, have already had a successful career and am changing pace for awhile, and I'm in university because I want to be. What I know about you - most of your replies in this thread have been one or two liners about progressiveness, with the words 'marginal utility' occasionally thrown in. > No one is here for a history lesson from a kid who screams communism and socialism every time tax policy is brought up. Again, just 1 question: What do you think my opinion on taxes is?
      - gnaritas 11y ago
        You started off your replies by implying progressives are communists with this little nugget > Progressives think it's 'fair' that everyone pays what they can afford. Which is not what progressives believe, and then you went full on communist with this little nugget > Some people also thought "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" was fair. And then you started pretending only you knew history. I don't care what you position is, I'm replying to what you say, not what you think; I can't read your mind, only what you write. > Do you know me? Yet you decide to attack me. I don't have to know you to tell you you're behaving arrogantly, and I haven't attacked you, if you think I have, you don't know what attack means. I've criticized your bad behavior, nothing more. > I'm not a kid, I'm 30 Still a kid to me bub. > Again, just 1 question: What do you think my opinion on taxes is? I know what your position is, you stated it > I'm all for progressive taxation, wealth and inheritance tax, all of it. But I'm also not ignorant of history... But that's not what we're talking about anymore because you can't stop being arrogant and have derailed any conversation to the point that I no longer care what you think. "But I'm also not ignorant of history", please, grow up, your superiority complex is disgusting.