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> What do you have to support it? Is Christian a race? Also, this (PDF warning): https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf181.pdf https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fi

by rycfan 11y ago

> What do you have to support it? Is Christian a race? Also, this (PDF warning): https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf181.pdf https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf181.pdf.

nickpsecurity 11y ago
We're talking about a people that share a common origin, physical traits, and genetic patterns. Not a religious doctrine. The other commenter thinks that race doesn't exist. Most stuff I've read implied it did. Nobody doubts the existence of Christian religion.
- rycfan 11y ago
  If it was a race as we contemplate race in its current definition, it would be on the government form I posted. It isn't. It's not a race like that (nor, really, in any other way). Yes, some Jews have a common genetic pattern. Many don't. Either you're talking about the religion, which is clearly not a race (as you said). Or you're talking about a group that generally shares the same religion, that descended from a few groups that lived co-located thousands of years ago. Of course, many are descended from those groups. What makes that a race? And I didn't mention Christianity to ask if anyone doubted it existed. I mentioned Christianity to show how silly it is to consider Jews a race. If Christianity isn't a race (even though many Christians descend from a common ancestor), then Jews aren't a race. - Technically, if you are a Christian, you probably believe you descended from Adam & Eve, sort of the ultimate common ancestor.
  - nickpsecurity 11y ago
    Finally, a comment with some specific counterpoints. I appreciate it. So, you're saying that many works just wrongly conflate concepts of a group and race to the point that there's a misconception about the existence of a Jewish race? Also, given the form, that there are only 5 races in existence?
    - rycfan 11y ago
      Sorry for taking forever to reply. That's pretty much what I'm saying. I think the 5 races on the form conform to my understanding of race, so I think that part is right as well. I guess fundamentally I can't wrap my head around the idea of identifying a religious group and calling that a race. As I mention, we don't do it with any other religious group, so why Jews?

by rycfan 11y ago

> What do you have to support it? Is Christian a race? Also, this (PDF warning): https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf181.pdf https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf181.pdf.

nickpsecurity 11y ago

We're talking about a people that share a common origin, physical traits, and genetic patterns. Not a religious doctrine. The other commenter thinks that race doesn't exist. Most stuff I've read implied it did. Nobody doubts the existence of Christian religion.

rycfan 11y ago
If it was a race as we contemplate race in its current definition, it would be on the government form I posted. It isn't. It's not a race like that (nor, really, in any other way). Yes, some Jews have a common genetic pattern. Many don't. Either you're talking about the religion, which is clearly not a race (as you said). Or you're talking about a group that generally shares the same religion, that descended from a few groups that lived co-located thousands of years ago. Of course, many are descended from those groups. What makes that a race? And I didn't mention Christianity to ask if anyone doubted it existed. I mentioned Christianity to show how silly it is to consider Jews a race. If Christianity isn't a race (even though many Christians descend from a common ancestor), then Jews aren't a race. - Technically, if you are a Christian, you probably believe you descended from Adam & Eve, sort of the ultimate common ancestor.
- nickpsecurity 11y ago
  Finally, a comment with some specific counterpoints. I appreciate it. So, you're saying that many works just wrongly conflate concepts of a group and race to the point that there's a misconception about the existence of a Jewish race? Also, given the form, that there are only 5 races in existence?
  - rycfan 11y ago
    Sorry for taking forever to reply. That's pretty much what I'm saying. I think the 5 races on the form conform to my understanding of race, so I think that part is right as well. I guess fundamentally I can't wrap my head around the idea of identifying a religious group and calling that a race. As I mention, we don't do it with any other religious group, so why Jews?