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I am underwhelmed. I think they might have missed the mark on this product or there are a lot of things they didn't discuss in their presentation today! Multi

I am underwhelmed. I think they might have missed the mark on this product or there are a lot of things they didn't discuss in their presentation today! Multi-tasking? Flash?

dangrossman 17y ago
We saw Flash on one of the web demos. It was Safari's missing plugin icon, so it's safe to assume there's no Flash still.
- mattmaroon 17y ago
  I found that really odd. As pre-scripted as their demoes are, why would they use a page with that?
  - wmf 17y ago
    As a sly way of rubbing it in?
  - tspiteri 17y ago
    Can you think of a better way to answer the FAQ "Does it have Flash?"
    - jonknee 17y ago
      Simply not showing an error during the demo... The demo isn't designed to show all that it can't do.
    - mattmaroon 17y ago
      Yes: don't until you're asked. iPod demos and tech specs pages on Apple's website don't advertise what formats it doesn't play. An iPhone demo wouldn't show dropped calls, at least not if it were easily preventable.
      - tspiteri 17y ago
        > Yes: don't until you're asked. I think the question was asked by quite a few people. > iPod demos and tech specs pages on Apple's website don't advertise what formats it doesn't play. Usually a format list is complete, if a format is not there, you know it is not supported. But I do not think that it makes sense for the iPad to list all web technologies, as in, it supports html, css, xhtml, txt, javascript, flash, ... . Flash is not just a format. > An iPhone demo wouldn't show dropped calls, at least not if it were easily preventable. Now this is a tough point. Of course they would not show a misfeauture in the demo. Perhaps they were making a point that missing Flash is not a misfeature after all, and that web pages should be written without a Flash dependency. But in the end, I might be completely wrong and it might have been a slip up after all, I wouldn't know.
        mattmaroon 17y ago
        Nobody asked any questions at that demo. A demo is a highlight reel of what your product does, not a list of pros and cons. It's all pro. You can safely assume that a device like that will list Flash as a capability if it has it at this point. If it was on purpose, it almost has to be some sort of dig at Adobe. I can't rationalize that one, but perhaps.
lsb 17y ago
How would you do multi-tasking, while promising ten hours of battery life?
- dangrossman 17y ago
  Perhaps he values multi-tasking more than having ten hours of battery life.
  - jstevens85 17y ago
    I think the point is that the consumers Apple targets would value 10 hours battery life over multitasking. Engineering is all about trade offs, and if Apple were to deliver everything the geeks wanted (OSX, Flash, multitasking), then Apple would end up with an overpriced, slow, thick, hot, sluggish, power thirsty tablet that would only appeal to computer nerds.
- kevingadd 17y ago
  Battery life has nothing to do with multi-tasking. It's about providing consistent UX and not having to deal with misbehaving background processes.
  - walkon 17y ago
    They most certainly could be related. If you had a few background apps doing something, such as playing music while browsing the web, that would take more clock cycles. Even something like a native twitter app running in the background could be pinging twitter several times a minute, obviously requiring power to do so.
    - kevingadd 17y ago
      Every iPhone and iPod Touch ever released has had background apps running at all times to provide services like e-mail. How do you think the iPod mode on an iPhone works? It plays music while you're browsing in Safari by leaving an app running in the background. Email notifications? App running in the background.
edd 17y ago
If you want to see the parts of the iPad that Apple cares about watch the video: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/ http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/ It goes over all the bits they think are really cool.
- etravers 17y ago
  This link is a perfect example of the problem I have with Apple. Why do I have to have Quick Time to watch the video? Just give it to me and let me worry about which media player I want to use. I sold my macbook; gave away my ipod; and I'm never going back.
- usaar333 17y ago
  I really hate to ask this - but is there a way to watch that on linux? I have mplayer, but I can't find the embed link in the source to save the raw .mov file.
  - hackoder 17y ago
    http://movies.apple.com/media/us/ipad/2010/tours/apple-ipad-video-us-20100127_320x180.mov http://movies.apple.com/media/us/ipad/2010/tours/apple-ipad-...

I am underwhelmed. I think they might have missed the mark on this product or there are a lot of things they didn't discuss in their presentation today! Multi-tasking? Flash?

dangrossman 17y ago

We saw Flash on one of the web demos. It was Safari's missing plugin icon, so it's safe to assume there's no Flash still.

mattmaroon 17y ago
I found that really odd. As pre-scripted as their demoes are, why would they use a page with that?
- wmf 17y ago
  As a sly way of rubbing it in?
- tspiteri 17y ago
  Can you think of a better way to answer the FAQ "Does it have Flash?"
  - jonknee 17y ago
    Simply not showing an error during the demo... The demo isn't designed to show all that it can't do.
  - mattmaroon 17y ago
    Yes: don't until you're asked. iPod demos and tech specs pages on Apple's website don't advertise what formats it doesn't play. An iPhone demo wouldn't show dropped calls, at least not if it were easily preventable.
    - tspiteri 17y ago
      > Yes: don't until you're asked. I think the question was asked by quite a few people. > iPod demos and tech specs pages on Apple's website don't advertise what formats it doesn't play. Usually a format list is complete, if a format is not there, you know it is not supported. But I do not think that it makes sense for the iPad to list all web technologies, as in, it supports html, css, xhtml, txt, javascript, flash, ... . Flash is not just a format. > An iPhone demo wouldn't show dropped calls, at least not if it were easily preventable. Now this is a tough point. Of course they would not show a misfeauture in the demo. Perhaps they were making a point that missing Flash is not a misfeature after all, and that web pages should be written without a Flash dependency. But in the end, I might be completely wrong and it might have been a slip up after all, I wouldn't know.
      - mattmaroon 17y ago
        Nobody asked any questions at that demo. A demo is a highlight reel of what your product does, not a list of pros and cons. It's all pro. You can safely assume that a device like that will list Flash as a capability if it has it at this point. If it was on purpose, it almost has to be some sort of dig at Adobe. I can't rationalize that one, but perhaps.

lsb 17y ago

How would you do multi-tasking, while promising ten hours of battery life?

dangrossman 17y ago
Perhaps he values multi-tasking more than having ten hours of battery life.
- jstevens85 17y ago
  I think the point is that the consumers Apple targets would value 10 hours battery life over multitasking. Engineering is all about trade offs, and if Apple were to deliver everything the geeks wanted (OSX, Flash, multitasking), then Apple would end up with an overpriced, slow, thick, hot, sluggish, power thirsty tablet that would only appeal to computer nerds.
kevingadd 17y ago
Battery life has nothing to do with multi-tasking. It's about providing consistent UX and not having to deal with misbehaving background processes.
- walkon 17y ago
  They most certainly could be related. If you had a few background apps doing something, such as playing music while browsing the web, that would take more clock cycles. Even something like a native twitter app running in the background could be pinging twitter several times a minute, obviously requiring power to do so.
  - kevingadd 17y ago
    Every iPhone and iPod Touch ever released has had background apps running at all times to provide services like e-mail. How do you think the iPod mode on an iPhone works? It plays music while you're browsing in Safari by leaving an app running in the background. Email notifications? App running in the background.

edd 17y ago

If you want to see the parts of the iPad that Apple cares about watch the video: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/ http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/ It goes over all the bits they think are really cool.

etravers 17y ago
This link is a perfect example of the problem I have with Apple. Why do I have to have Quick Time to watch the video? Just give it to me and let me worry about which media player I want to use. I sold my macbook; gave away my ipod; and I'm never going back.
usaar333 17y ago
I really hate to ask this - but is there a way to watch that on linux? I have mplayer, but I can't find the embed link in the source to save the raw .mov file.
- hackoder 17y ago
  http://movies.apple.com/media/us/ipad/2010/tours/apple-ipad-video-us-20100127_320x180.mov http://movies.apple.com/media/us/ipad/2010/tours/apple-ipad-...