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> it's not uncommon to have to wait minutes for things to settle down after booting and logging in This is no longer my experience with Windows on an SSD. I'

> it's not uncommon to have to wait minutes for things to settle down after booting and logging in This is no longer my experience with Windows on an SSD. I'm always a bit shocked when I reboot and I'm back at my desktop in under 30 seconds. On a machine without an SSD, I'm annoyed at how slow everything is -- not just booting.

evook 11y ago
That's actually the reason windows is and will stay my main desktop system. Former Windows 7, now an "unfucked" Windows 10 Enterprise. It's just smoother than OSX or Linux Desktop and I always test some linux distros if I get new Hardware. Last time in novembre I upgrade to i7-6700k, Titan X, Samsung 950Pro 1TB. Of course it's necessary to have always at least one linux based server vm running I use putty to connect with. That's my ideal desktop setup i am using for years. IMHO X11 needs to be replaced as fast as possible.
- dman 11y ago
  I would settle for a high resolution tty that works without much fiddling.
- 0_00_0 11y ago
  I agree, thankfully Wayland is well on its way. GDM uses it by default as of 3.16 and the Gnome DE just needs a --session=-gnome-wayland parameter. It has actually gotten to the point where it's stable enough for daily use now.
  - progman 11y ago
    > It has actually gotten to the point where it's stable enough for daily use now. Really? What about X11 compatibility?
- sandGorgon 11y ago
  Really recommend Fedora 23 - login using Wayland. You will be truly surprised. FYI - you can try it out without installing (as a livecd)
  - mverwijs 11y ago
    I was surprised by Fedora 23 when it asked me to reboot in order to apply patches. And these were not kernels that were updates. Huge step backwards.
- lukeschlather 11y ago
  Linux biggest problem is perpetual rewrites. X11 is pretty much the only subsystem that hasn't suffered a backwards-incompatible rewrite in the past 10 years. X11 could use some improvement, but I doubt a new system will address the core problems, which are basically the result of hardware drivers being written for Windows with Linux as an afterthought.
- ris 11y ago
  "IMHO X11 needs to be replaced as fast as possible." X11 has very little to do with any of your complaints.
- progman 11y ago
  > Former Windows 7, now an "unfucked" Windows 10 Enterprise. Congratulations ;-) http://www.networkworld.com/article/2956574/microsoft-subnet/windows-10-privacy-spyware-settings-user-agreement.html http://www.networkworld.com/article/2956574/microsoft-subnet... > IMHO X11 needs to be replaced as fast as possible. Why? If you don't like X11 you can switch to Wayland right now. I am content with X11 for many years.
thescriptkiddie 11y ago
I've got a windows 10 machine with a pretty fast NVMe SSD. It takes 10 seconds to get to the login screen, and another three minutes to load up all of the services that are set to run on login. I'm convinced that the NTFS driver must be a nightmare of blocking I/O.
- DangerousPie 11y ago
  That's definitely not the norm. On both my Windows 10 machines the desktop becomes usable within seconds after login. Might be worth having a look at what's taking so long on your machine... As far as I remember there is even a Microsoft tool that highlights startup jobs that are slow to run, isn't there?
  - keitmo 11y ago
    Autoruns: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.as...
  - ygra 11y ago
    Task manager shows that.
- Semaphor 11y ago
  There must be something wrong with your installation or you have an insane amount of services. I have around 16 auto starting background programs including MS SQL Server and it's about 5s to login screen and another 10-20 until chrome is running and I can start doing stuff.
- pdabbadabba 11y ago
  I have to agree with others who point out that this is not at all typical. I have two SSD-backed Windows 10 machines (one at home, one at work), both with much less fancy SATA SSds than yours. Neither takes more than 20 seconds to go from powered off to fully usable (unless I mistype my password a few times). I'd check my autoruns if I were you.
- 11y ago
agumonkey 11y ago
On what machine btw ? I have a minimal system, but it boots in 4 seconds from BIOS to ion3 (arch). It's funny when the BIOS takes longer than booting. #coreboot
- nextos 11y ago
  What hardware are you running coreboot on?
  - agumonkey 11y ago
    I'm not (at least for now, I have a spare compatible thinkpad), I was just implying that the BIOS is now the bottleneck.
    - nextos 11y ago
      Oh, I see. I also ran Arch (on MBA 2012, perfect compatibility). It's wicked fast to boot using the kernel as an EFI payload (efistub).
zxcvcxz 11y ago
It seems to me that Linux is slightly faster on an SSD and a hell of a lot faster on an HDD than Windows 10 when it first boots up. I have the exact same problems the parent describes.
progman 11y ago
> I'm always a bit shocked when I reboot and I'm back at my desktop in under 30 seconds. 30 seconds? That's still a lot of time. Debian Linux starts within 7s on a dual core 2GHz with SSD.

evook 11y ago

That's actually the reason windows is and will stay my main desktop system. Former Windows 7, now an "unfucked" Windows 10 Enterprise. It's just smoother than OSX or Linux Desktop and I always test some linux distros if I get new Hardware. Last time in novembre I upgrade to i7-6700k, Titan X, Samsung 950Pro 1TB. Of course it's necessary to have always at least one linux based server vm running I use putty to connect with. That's my ideal desktop setup i am using for years. IMHO X11 needs to be replaced as fast as possible.

dman 11y ago
I would settle for a high resolution tty that works without much fiddling.
0_00_0 11y ago
I agree, thankfully Wayland is well on its way. GDM uses it by default as of 3.16 and the Gnome DE just needs a --session=-gnome-wayland parameter. It has actually gotten to the point where it's stable enough for daily use now.
- progman 11y ago
  > It has actually gotten to the point where it's stable enough for daily use now. Really? What about X11 compatibility?
sandGorgon 11y ago
Really recommend Fedora 23 - login using Wayland. You will be truly surprised. FYI - you can try it out without installing (as a livecd)
- mverwijs 11y ago
  I was surprised by Fedora 23 when it asked me to reboot in order to apply patches. And these were not kernels that were updates. Huge step backwards.
lukeschlather 11y ago
Linux biggest problem is perpetual rewrites. X11 is pretty much the only subsystem that hasn't suffered a backwards-incompatible rewrite in the past 10 years. X11 could use some improvement, but I doubt a new system will address the core problems, which are basically the result of hardware drivers being written for Windows with Linux as an afterthought.
ris 11y ago
"IMHO X11 needs to be replaced as fast as possible." X11 has very little to do with any of your complaints.
progman 11y ago
> Former Windows 7, now an "unfucked" Windows 10 Enterprise. Congratulations ;-) http://www.networkworld.com/article/2956574/microsoft-subnet/windows-10-privacy-spyware-settings-user-agreement.html http://www.networkworld.com/article/2956574/microsoft-subnet... > IMHO X11 needs to be replaced as fast as possible. Why? If you don't like X11 you can switch to Wayland right now. I am content with X11 for many years.

thescriptkiddie 11y ago

I've got a windows 10 machine with a pretty fast NVMe SSD. It takes 10 seconds to get to the login screen, and another three minutes to load up all of the services that are set to run on login. I'm convinced that the NTFS driver must be a nightmare of blocking I/O.

DangerousPie 11y ago
That's definitely not the norm. On both my Windows 10 machines the desktop becomes usable within seconds after login. Might be worth having a look at what's taking so long on your machine... As far as I remember there is even a Microsoft tool that highlights startup jobs that are slow to run, isn't there?
- keitmo 11y ago
  Autoruns: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.as...
- ygra 11y ago
  Task manager shows that.
Semaphor 11y ago
There must be something wrong with your installation or you have an insane amount of services. I have around 16 auto starting background programs including MS SQL Server and it's about 5s to login screen and another 10-20 until chrome is running and I can start doing stuff.
pdabbadabba 11y ago
I have to agree with others who point out that this is not at all typical. I have two SSD-backed Windows 10 machines (one at home, one at work), both with much less fancy SATA SSds than yours. Neither takes more than 20 seconds to go from powered off to fully usable (unless I mistype my password a few times). I'd check my autoruns if I were you.
11y ago

agumonkey 11y ago

On what machine btw ? I have a minimal system, but it boots in 4 seconds from BIOS to ion3 (arch). It's funny when the BIOS takes longer than booting. #coreboot

nextos 11y ago
What hardware are you running coreboot on?
- agumonkey 11y ago
  I'm not (at least for now, I have a spare compatible thinkpad), I was just implying that the BIOS is now the bottleneck.
  - nextos 11y ago
    Oh, I see. I also ran Arch (on MBA 2012, perfect compatibility). It's wicked fast to boot using the kernel as an EFI payload (efistub).

zxcvcxz 11y ago

It seems to me that Linux is slightly faster on an SSD and a hell of a lot faster on an HDD than Windows 10 when it first boots up. I have the exact same problems the parent describes.

progman 11y ago

> I'm always a bit shocked when I reboot and I'm back at my desktop in under 30 seconds. 30 seconds? That's still a lot of time. Debian Linux starts within 7s on a dual core 2GHz with SSD.