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Isn't this a clear case of Israel interfering in US foreign policy to the detriment of American interests as determined by the administration? The article says

Isn't this a clear case of Israel interfering in US foreign policy to the detriment of American interests as determined by the administration? The article says "Mr. Netanyahu and his advisers had... coordinated talking points with Jewish-American groups against the deal; and asked undecided lawmakers what it would take to win their votes..." If ANY other country in the world except Israel had done this, the US government would be going ballistic. What a shameful surrender of American sovereignty.

tracker1 11y ago
Lobbying happens from all sorts of coordinated efforts from nation-states to large international corporations, to unions and voter groups. I'm not sure that it's really all that proper, but it does happen, and has always happened. Which is actually pretty sad, all things considered.
- ethanbond 11y ago
  Which is totally tame compared to the fact that Israel also leaked American secrets (obtained through spying) to American lawmakers. Boy, that's some effective "lobbying!"
brandonmenc 11y ago
> If ANY other country in the world except Israel had done this, the US government would be going ballistic. Typical disgusting anti-Israel attitude. Foreign governments lobby all the time - the TPP, for a recent example. http://observer.com/2015/06/many-foreign-governments-pay-k-street-big-money-to-peddle-tpp-to-congress/ http://observer.com/2015/06/many-foreign-governments-pay-k-s...
azinman2 11y ago
Nah. Lobbying is done all kinds of ways from different people/countries at a variety of levels.
- meric 11y ago
  Example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Lobby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Lobby
- ethanbond 11y ago
  Okay, how about this, then? > Mr. Netanyahu and his advisers had leaked details of the U.S.-Iran negotiations—learned through Israeli spying operations—to undermine the talks
  - azinman2 11y ago
    And you don't think any of that happens from the US to other countries? Politics are dirty, and people will do whatever is necessary to achieve their goals.
    - ethanbond 11y ago
      Are those other countries giving us $3bn aid packages? Dirty indeed.
kobayashi 11y ago
>If ANY other country in the world except Israel had done this, the US government would be going ballistic Not even close to true. I'm not sure what you think 'American sovereignty' means, but every single government does its best to influence other governments. It's called geopolitics. As for direct lobbying, Washington is the world's capital of foreign lobbying. Off the top of my head come Morocco, Qatar, and the UAE, but every nation, from liberal democracies to ruthless dictators, they all try to lobby American lawmakers - the most important lawmakers in the world.
- newsjunky 11y ago
  geopolitical.. As if this was OK.. It's a problem when a forgin government illegally contacts congress or the other way around and interfears with a commander and chief.. No no no we do that to 3rd world contrys cause we control them.. Are you saying this is OK to have a forgin government ask what can we give you to vote against the American people and for the Israelis wtf are you a dual citizen with a profit in this.. No its not good!

tracker1 11y ago

Lobbying happens from all sorts of coordinated efforts from nation-states to large international corporations, to unions and voter groups. I'm not sure that it's really all that proper, but it does happen, and has always happened. Which is actually pretty sad, all things considered.

ethanbond 11y ago
Which is totally tame compared to the fact that Israel also leaked American secrets (obtained through spying) to American lawmakers. Boy, that's some effective "lobbying!"

brandonmenc 11y ago

> If ANY other country in the world except Israel had done this, the US government would be going ballistic. Typical disgusting anti-Israel attitude. Foreign governments lobby all the time - the TPP, for a recent example. http://observer.com/2015/06/many-foreign-governments-pay-k-street-big-money-to-peddle-tpp-to-congress/ http://observer.com/2015/06/many-foreign-governments-pay-k-s...

azinman2 11y ago

Nah. Lobbying is done all kinds of ways from different people/countries at a variety of levels.

meric 11y ago
Example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Lobby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Lobby
ethanbond 11y ago
Okay, how about this, then? > Mr. Netanyahu and his advisers had leaked details of the U.S.-Iran negotiations—learned through Israeli spying operations—to undermine the talks
- azinman2 11y ago
  And you don't think any of that happens from the US to other countries? Politics are dirty, and people will do whatever is necessary to achieve their goals.
  - ethanbond 11y ago
    Are those other countries giving us $3bn aid packages? Dirty indeed.

kobayashi 11y ago

>If ANY other country in the world except Israel had done this, the US government would be going ballistic Not even close to true. I'm not sure what you think 'American sovereignty' means, but every single government does its best to influence other governments. It's called geopolitics. As for direct lobbying, Washington is the world's capital of foreign lobbying. Off the top of my head come Morocco, Qatar, and the UAE, but every nation, from liberal democracies to ruthless dictators, they all try to lobby American lawmakers - the most important lawmakers in the world.

newsjunky 11y ago
geopolitical.. As if this was OK.. It's a problem when a forgin government illegally contacts congress or the other way around and interfears with a commander and chief.. No no no we do that to 3rd world contrys cause we control them.. Are you saying this is OK to have a forgin government ask what can we give you to vote against the American people and for the Israelis wtf are you a dual citizen with a profit in this.. No its not good!