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Glocks were designed as military weapons, not target shooting pistols, and are used in the militaries of many nations. Similar pistols (like the XDs) are used

Glocks were designed as military weapons, not target shooting pistols, and are used in the militaries of many nations. Similar pistols (like the XDs) are used in other nations' militaries. I would imagine that combat is about as bad an environment as you can get for adrenaline stress. It sounds like the big problem is shitty training for cops. The problem in NYC has been well-documented by gun experts, it's not the number of people they're trying to shoot. There have been many cases of them shooting at legitimate targets (not black guys running away, not small black children with toys, but real suspects wielding weapons on the street) at hitting bystanders because their shot accuracy is so pathetically bad. A 12-lb trigger pull (specifically designed into Glocks that were never meant to have them, at the insistence of the NYPD because they were used to crappy old revolvers) is a big part of that. If a cop shoots a suspect on the ground, that's just plain murder, I don't care what their excuse is. Bad trigger discipline should be prosecuted as murder: you never put your finger on the trigger unless you've decided to kill the target.

moron4hire 11y ago
>> Glocks were designed as military weapons yeeeeah, definitely not suitable for cops
- Grishnakh 11y ago
  Um, why not? The stress of actual combat is far more than almost any cop ever goes through, unless he's one of the rare ones involved in an active shooter situation (and even those tend to be over pretty quickly; military combat can go on for hours or days).
  - moron4hire 11y ago
    Because the metric it optimizes for is "successfully hit target", and ignores whether or not the target needed to be hit. NYPD's problem is not heavy trigger pulls. It's trigger happiness to begin with. Police duty is not like TV, it's not battles with drug cartels, even in LA. Police should not in any way resemble soldiers. We should go back to the time when recent military duty was considered a negative when applying for police duty.
    - Grishnakh 11y ago
      I'm sorry, this is just plain stupid. Giving cops inaccurate weapons is not going to make them less trigger-happy, you'll just wind up with more bystanders shot. Yes, the NYPD does have a problem with heavy trigger pulls, whether you agree or not. Many expert sources have pointed this problem out. If you want to hit a target, a heavy trigger pull makes it more likely you'll torque the gun and miss your target. Going back to revolvers isn't going to fix that (though at least the revolvers were heavier so maybe the effect wasn't as bad). If you want to argue about police tactics, recruitment, training, or purpose, this isn't the place for it. This is a thread about pistols and trigger pull weights. As for military duty, that should be a plus for police duty. Military soldiers have to learn about things like "rules of engagement" and had very strict training about that. If they saw combat, then they are also much less likely to lose their demeanor when dealing with a rough situation, because they've already seen much worse. The cops who have all the problems seem to be ones who were never in the military, and probably would have been (or were) rejected if they had applied: basically thugs who want to play soldier and never got the chance. Notice that you never hear about problems with military police (MPs) shooting people unnecessarily, despite the extremely high numbers of non-white people in the military? I think there's a reason for that.

moron4hire 11y ago

>> Glocks were designed as military weapons yeeeeah, definitely not suitable for cops

Grishnakh 11y ago
Um, why not? The stress of actual combat is far more than almost any cop ever goes through, unless he's one of the rare ones involved in an active shooter situation (and even those tend to be over pretty quickly; military combat can go on for hours or days).
- moron4hire 11y ago
  Because the metric it optimizes for is "successfully hit target", and ignores whether or not the target needed to be hit. NYPD's problem is not heavy trigger pulls. It's trigger happiness to begin with. Police duty is not like TV, it's not battles with drug cartels, even in LA. Police should not in any way resemble soldiers. We should go back to the time when recent military duty was considered a negative when applying for police duty.
  - Grishnakh 11y ago
    I'm sorry, this is just plain stupid. Giving cops inaccurate weapons is not going to make them less trigger-happy, you'll just wind up with more bystanders shot. Yes, the NYPD does have a problem with heavy trigger pulls, whether you agree or not. Many expert sources have pointed this problem out. If you want to hit a target, a heavy trigger pull makes it more likely you'll torque the gun and miss your target. Going back to revolvers isn't going to fix that (though at least the revolvers were heavier so maybe the effect wasn't as bad). If you want to argue about police tactics, recruitment, training, or purpose, this isn't the place for it. This is a thread about pistols and trigger pull weights. As for military duty, that should be a plus for police duty. Military soldiers have to learn about things like "rules of engagement" and had very strict training about that. If they saw combat, then they are also much less likely to lose their demeanor when dealing with a rough situation, because they've already seen much worse. The cops who have all the problems seem to be ones who were never in the military, and probably would have been (or were) rejected if they had applied: basically thugs who want to play soldier and never got the chance. Notice that you never hear about problems with military police (MPs) shooting people unnecessarily, despite the extremely high numbers of non-white people in the military? I think there's a reason for that.