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Honest question: In what way does Linux give you less control than BSD? Binary blob drivers are just as necessary on BSD as on Linux. Are you referring to Ubu

Honest question: In what way does Linux give you less control than BSD? Binary blob drivers are just as necessary on BSD as on Linux. Are you referring to Ubuntu's built-in Amazon searches? Because you can just not use the Unity desktop. If it's building everything from source you're after, there is Arch and Gentoo. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of FreeBSD. I'm just wondering if I'm missing something.

SFjulie1 11y ago
Well, linux is more than a kernel. The rant about the kernel could be simple : featuritis or cancer. In fact I have been working with centOS, feodora, RHEL, debian, ubuntu, mint, mandrake, mandriva, slackware ... the base are becoming messy, and each distros are diverging but (except for mint that is making efforts) they don't seem to care about the user experience. Not only for the desktop, but also as a coder and sysadmin. I would call this a linux fatigue. Bored of trying to make fans works so that my CPU don't burn like it once did after I upgraded ubuntu. Bored of trying to convince RH supports that their forks are not vanilla package with their messy patch levels without the security ports from upstream are a lie (they work for NSA/GCHQ or what?). Bored of having to deal with SSH blunders because a packager thought he was a dev. Bored to recompile python from rpm sources to have a decent python package. Bored of using virtualenv because the packager think Ksat problems are polynomial problem but makes you ends up with rottenly old packages, while I can pinpoint my packages to the version I want. Bored of python/perl/latex broken packages "so that it can fit on embedded systems" when minimal base is what? 400MB? Bored of not being able to have a simple way to choose the options I want for my packages (like pragma, which library) and poor default choices. Bored of unsecured default cumbersome config for servers that are unsecure and poorly designed (apache cgi-bin was a PITA). Bored of useless features (GNUeries) like bash as default that augments the surface of vulnerability. Bored of the whatthousands way of configuring IP. Bored of 300 ASM likes lines of iptables based on GOTO kind of thinking when pf does it in 30 lines. Bored of "cloud" containers that don't really do the jobs" when jails are fine. Bored of caring about security much more than I would like. Bored of configuring my windows manager every new releases and to lose my configuration or where my close button side is on. Bored of upstart/systemd just because devs don't know how to handle SIGHUP SIGINT ... and need clutch to not learn the bases. Bored of having no people trying to describe seriously what they are doing and making no efforts in documentation and engineering docs. Bored of people replacing technical arguments with the potential coolness of a feature, while throwing RTFM at newcomers. Bored of people not understanding how computers works. Bored of the linux based cloud solutions that are as stable as a chaotic system. Bored of not being able to write my drivers anymore in C, or having a C compiler that works and that no one cares about it. Bored of the messy C code in the linux kernel that is unreadable. Bored of having to change distributions because distributions wants to force feed me features or windows manager or because my HW does not work anymore. Bored of learning again and again where is the F config, how to do this simple network configuration, what is the name of f pakcage where did they put it, in which repo how to get a f* vanilla upstream up to date version of the lib... Bored of openSSL. Bored of how much people confusing installing a distro with being an expert at something. Bored of not being able to do my packages because tools & logics are too complex. Bored of not being able to audit anything. Bored of the community above all.
- tahssa 11y ago
  I got to the 6th line of your post then I got bored.

SFjulie1 11y ago

Well, linux is more than a kernel. The rant about the kernel could be simple : featuritis or cancer. In fact I have been working with centOS, feodora, RHEL, debian, ubuntu, mint, mandrake, mandriva, slackware ... the base are becoming messy, and each distros are diverging but (except for mint that is making efforts) they don't seem to care about the user experience. Not only for the desktop, but also as a coder and sysadmin. I would call this a linux fatigue. Bored of trying to make fans works so that my CPU don't burn like it once did after I upgraded ubuntu. Bored of trying to convince RH supports that their forks are not vanilla package with their messy patch levels without the security ports from upstream are a lie (they work for NSA/GCHQ or what?). Bored of having to deal with SSH blunders because a packager thought he was a dev. Bored to recompile python from rpm sources to have a decent python package. Bored of using virtualenv because the packager think Ksat problems are polynomial problem but makes you ends up with rottenly old packages, while I can pinpoint my packages to the version I want. Bored of python/perl/latex broken packages "so that it can fit on embedded systems" when minimal base is what? 400MB? Bored of not being able to have a simple way to choose the options I want for my packages (like pragma, which library) and poor default choices. Bored of unsecured default cumbersome config for servers that are unsecure and poorly designed (apache cgi-bin was a PITA). Bored of useless features (GNUeries) like bash as default that augments the surface of vulnerability. Bored of the whatthousands way of configuring IP. Bored of 300 ASM likes lines of iptables based on GOTO kind of thinking when pf does it in 30 lines. Bored of "cloud" containers that don't really do the jobs" when jails are fine. Bored of caring about security much more than I would like. Bored of configuring my windows manager every new releases and to lose my configuration or where my close button side is on. Bored of upstart/systemd just because devs don't know how to handle SIGHUP SIGINT ... and need clutch to not learn the bases. Bored of having no people trying to describe seriously what they are doing and making no efforts in documentation and engineering docs. Bored of people replacing technical arguments with the potential coolness of a feature, while throwing RTFM at newcomers. Bored of people not understanding how computers works. Bored of the linux based cloud solutions that are as stable as a chaotic system. Bored of not being able to write my drivers anymore in C, or having a C compiler that works and that no one cares about it. Bored of the messy C code in the linux kernel that is unreadable. Bored of having to change distributions because distributions wants to force feed me features or windows manager or because my HW does not work anymore. Bored of learning again and again where is the F config, how to do this simple network configuration, what is the name of f pakcage where did they put it, in which repo how to get a f* vanilla upstream up to date version of the lib... Bored of openSSL. Bored of how much people confusing installing a distro with being an expert at something. Bored of not being able to do my packages because tools & logics are too complex. Bored of not being able to audit anything. Bored of the community above all.

tahssa 11y ago
I got to the 6th line of your post then I got bored.