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It's sad what's happened to physics. I remember being at an SPIE meeting for optical physics; some of my work on X-ray microscopes was being presented there. I
by scottlocklin 11y ago
It's sad what's happened to physics. I remember being at an SPIE meeting for optical physics; some of my work on X-ray microscopes was being presented there. I happened upon a giant auditorium filled to the nostrils with people debating life on other planets. Debating. Life on other planets. These folks were full time thinking about this. They weren't doing anything about it; it reminded me of a weed-and-beer-fueled bull session in a dorm room, except all these people were effectively professional exobiologists being paid to have weed and beer fueled bull sessions on exobiology. It didn't even rise to the level of an interesting Science Fiction short story. This at a conference for people doing actual science, people who develop telescopes, optical computers and other optical doodads, as well as new mathematical techniques to master different kinds of optical tricks.
The "physicist" who has this big idea is actually a cosmologist and the first few sentences of his wiki page indicate he is a fairly fruity one. Cosmology itself has gone off in embarrassing directions, and is vastly too large in comparison to its actual importance to the human race. I'm not sure anything has actually been figured out by a professional Cosmologist, though they use cool math sometimes. The actual cosmological results we have come from people doing actual science; astronomers, radio engineers, nuclear physicists, stat mech guys. Mind you, if cosmology could actually figure things out, I'd be all for it, but it seems they mostly do "gee whiz" think pieces which feature some differential geometry and noodle theory. And, apparently, untestable mystical whoop-dee-do about consciousness.
I'm gonna get off my high horse in a minute, but this sort of "celebritization" of science is obnoxious. People used to hang on the words of Fermi and Einstein, and considered their weird speculations to be interesting because those men proved their scientific acuity in other domains; actually increasing human understanding of nature. Now a days we canonize guys like this to do the "gee whiz" think pieces that people enjoy reading articles about ... and they are not of the caliber to justify anyone paying attention to their weird ideas. They're speculative types: science fiction authors who know some impressive math. They don't deserve the appellation of "scientist" let alone "physicist" as they do not study nature in a scientific manner. While Peter Woit has done some admirable work exposing the impostures of the noodle theorists, we really need someone to cleanse the temple of science of such people in general.
- ethanbond 11y agoThis is incredibly shortsighted. First, at least some portion of science has always been dedicated "debating" things. That doesn't mean they're being unhelpful, especially since those are the types of debates which help to steer resources towards practical efforts. How do you decide which telescope to build if you haven't decided, without such telescope, what exactly it's supposed to be looking at? It's also worth noting that theoretical inquiries can be incredibly helpful. You know, like all of Einstein's work. After all, he was a mathematician just playing with numbers and then trusting their results – something most "real scientists" were too skeptical to do because the results didn't look like what they expected. Of course, it didn't help that a lot of Einstein's (and other theoretical scientists) ideas were, at the time, untestable mystical whoop-dee-do, either.
- AnimalMuppet 11y agoUm, no. Einstein's ideas were, at least in part, testable. Parts of them were confirmed rather quickly.
- ethanbond 11y agoParts of some of them were confirmed rather quickly. Other parts of some of them are still unconfirmed, and a subset of those are still well beyond our foreseeable capability of testing. Black holes are one notable prediction that we have virtually no way to confirm. What's your point? I'm not saying Einstein got things wrong, I'm saying that immediately dismissing science which is not immediately testable is risky. Especially as more and more of the low hanging fruit is picked – cutting edge scientific ideas are going to be more and more difficult to test. Compare the Cavendish experiment to the Michelson-Morley experiment to the Large Hadron to... Creating a black hole? Seems to be a steep increase in difficulty. It should be expected.
- AnimalMuppet 11y agoOK. This idea that we're actually discussing... is it testable? Is it even testable in principle?