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Yep, Hot vehicles means there are 10 suckers behind you that are begging to overpay to get what they want or 5 others that don't care about money. Hence the dea

Yep, Hot vehicles means there are 10 suckers behind you that are begging to overpay to get what they want or 5 others that don't care about money. Hence the dealer are willing to tell you to go F-off (not literally but negotiation type). I actually had a dealer act like I was crazy when I laughed at the price of their stock Jeep wrangler in the 35K range. I had a couple jeeps before and I love jeeps but I'm also aware that they are not good vehicles for everyday usage and they are not very reliable . They are fun to drive and and off road with, but there is no way that I would justifying a 35K jeep for off-roading or weekend getaway vehicle. Apparently others do and are willing to pay that 35K for it, so I'm out of luck in purchasing a Jeep as they don't need to negotiate. So dealing with a dealer will be pointless for a 1-3 year old jeep.The only hope is to buy from an individual in need of getting rid of it, but even then that will be tricky because they likely owe more than its worth or what you would be willing to pay. So my options are to buy an much older paid off jeep from an individual or possibly look at other alternative jeep like vehicles. Also luckily for me I have a friend with a dealers license that allows me to buy at auction. So that will likely be my method of purchase when I'm ready again next time around.

pc86 11y ago
I've got to disagree with you on the word "overpay." You can't have one side of the equation constant negotiation below MSRP or below invoice and then call it overpaying when the market will bear an above-MSRP purchase price. The alternative is a CarMax-type scenario where you have a sticker price that cannot be negotiated. That being said, $35k does seem like a lot for a Jeep :)
- crapolasplatter 11y ago
  True, Overpay is relative as you state and its based on the what the market bears. Like Popcorn in a movie theatre. In my view and in my post I used overpay for what I considered what I'm not willing to pay for a product. Hindsight I could have used a better word or could have used a better description. Like you I thought 35K was insane for a jeep wrangler but apparently many are willing to get loans for 7 or 10 year to pay for that 35K jeep. Those peeps are ruining it for the rest of us ;-)

pc86 11y ago

I've got to disagree with you on the word "overpay." You can't have one side of the equation constant negotiation below MSRP or below invoice and then call it overpaying when the market will bear an above-MSRP purchase price. The alternative is a CarMax-type scenario where you have a sticker price that cannot be negotiated. That being said, $35k does seem like a lot for a Jeep :)

crapolasplatter 11y ago
True, Overpay is relative as you state and its based on the what the market bears. Like Popcorn in a movie theatre. In my view and in my post I used overpay for what I considered what I'm not willing to pay for a product. Hindsight I could have used a better word or could have used a better description. Like you I thought 35K was insane for a jeep wrangler but apparently many are willing to get loans for 7 or 10 year to pay for that 35K jeep. Those peeps are ruining it for the rest of us ;-)