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I fail to see the significance of the main character's gender, unless it relates directly to the story in some way (i.e., being male/female affects their social

I fail to see the significance of the main character's gender, unless it relates directly to the story in some way (i.e., being male/female affects their social standing). It strikes me as silly that so many people raise hell over a detail that should be meaningless.

Mithaldu 11y ago
It shouldn't have an effect, and doesn't, at least to people who see video games as being told a story. However many many people see video games as inserting themselves into a story and if the main character is sufficiently different from themselves this simply does not work well, so they avoid games with protagonists that have certain traits (gender, age and more), which creates financial pressure on game companies to target the most profitable demographics, which in turn often has the result of excluding less profitable demographics. Thus the struggle between companies trying to make a living and under-represented audiences trying to become represented. Further reading: http://www.itinthed.com/16328/what-taking-my-daughter-to-a-comic-book-store-taught-me/ http://www.itinthed.com/16328/what-taking-my-daughter-to-a-c... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nier_(video_game)#Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nier_(video_game)#Development (second paragraph)
mrerrormessage 11y ago
It's relevant for at least two reasons, in my opinion. The first is that video games, like novels, are stories told through the the protagonist/s. If this character is always male, you miss out on a whole class of stories which are women's stories. Just as literature rarely told women's stories upon a time, video games up to the present time rarely tell women's stories. The second reason is that having a female protagonist changes the entire meaning of the story. Consider Pierre Menard, author of Quixote (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Menard,_Author_of_the_Quixote https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Menard,_Author_of_the...), which discusses how the particular context of the author effects the meaning of the work. Wikipedia had an excellent article about gender representation in video games https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_representation_in_video_games https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_representation_in_vid... . One part of the article notes: > 60% of girls but only 39% of boys preferred to play a character of their own gender, and 28% of girls as opposed to 20% of boys said that they were more likely to play a game based on the character's gender. So it may not matter to some people, but it matters greatly to others.
- dottrap 11y ago
  Agreed, but it also kind of assumes stories are actually important and integral to the video game. Most stories in the current dominant video games follow the John Carmack mantra of "Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important." To go deeper into the problems of story telling in games, see Jonathan Blow's Conflicts in Game Design Talk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGTV8qLbBWE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGTV8qLbBWE But as for actual story telling games with female protagonists, go back to King's Quest IV: The Perils of Rosella. Designer Roberta Williams said a lot of interesting things about it, like how it was more uncomfortable designing deaths for her, and how she was worried there would be a fan backlash to playing a female character (but never happened). Hell, since I mentioned both Jonathan Blow and King's Quest, somebody just did a big ass Sierra retrospective applying Blow's talk to Sierra games, examining both why Sierra was able to successfully do story telling games for 20 years and how they differ from modern adventure games. Highly recommended. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wua96SI6SBE&list=PLPAVYgFfeddJzax1X4VUj69Z1Vs4PqGlA&index=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wua96SI6SBE&list=PLPAVYgFfed...

Mithaldu 11y ago

It shouldn't have an effect, and doesn't, at least to people who see video games as being told a story. However many many people see video games as inserting themselves into a story and if the main character is sufficiently different from themselves this simply does not work well, so they avoid games with protagonists that have certain traits (gender, age and more), which creates financial pressure on game companies to target the most profitable demographics, which in turn often has the result of excluding less profitable demographics. Thus the struggle between companies trying to make a living and under-represented audiences trying to become represented. Further reading: http://www.itinthed.com/16328/what-taking-my-daughter-to-a-comic-book-store-taught-me/ http://www.itinthed.com/16328/what-taking-my-daughter-to-a-c... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nier_(video_game)#Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nier_(video_game)#Development (second paragraph)

mrerrormessage 11y ago

It's relevant for at least two reasons, in my opinion. The first is that video games, like novels, are stories told through the the protagonist/s. If this character is always male, you miss out on a whole class of stories which are women's stories. Just as literature rarely told women's stories upon a time, video games up to the present time rarely tell women's stories. The second reason is that having a female protagonist changes the entire meaning of the story. Consider Pierre Menard, author of Quixote (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Menard,_Author_of_the_Quixote https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Menard,_Author_of_the...), which discusses how the particular context of the author effects the meaning of the work. Wikipedia had an excellent article about gender representation in video games https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_representation_in_video_games https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_representation_in_vid... . One part of the article notes: > 60% of girls but only 39% of boys preferred to play a character of their own gender, and 28% of girls as opposed to 20% of boys said that they were more likely to play a game based on the character's gender. So it may not matter to some people, but it matters greatly to others.

dottrap 11y ago
Agreed, but it also kind of assumes stories are actually important and integral to the video game. Most stories in the current dominant video games follow the John Carmack mantra of "Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important." To go deeper into the problems of story telling in games, see Jonathan Blow's Conflicts in Game Design Talk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGTV8qLbBWE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGTV8qLbBWE But as for actual story telling games with female protagonists, go back to King's Quest IV: The Perils of Rosella. Designer Roberta Williams said a lot of interesting things about it, like how it was more uncomfortable designing deaths for her, and how she was worried there would be a fan backlash to playing a female character (but never happened). Hell, since I mentioned both Jonathan Blow and King's Quest, somebody just did a big ass Sierra retrospective applying Blow's talk to Sierra games, examining both why Sierra was able to successfully do story telling games for 20 years and how they differ from modern adventure games. Highly recommended. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wua96SI6SBE&list=PLPAVYgFfeddJzax1X4VUj69Z1Vs4PqGlA&index=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wua96SI6SBE&list=PLPAVYgFfed...