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Haha..I love debating with you. Your hyperbole gets even better. >"Why should birthplace of a person be allowed as a criteria for discrimination." Because tha

Haha..I love debating with you. Your hyperbole gets even better. >"Why should birthplace of a person be allowed as a criteria for discrimination." Because that is the law of the land and it is fair since the number of green cards are allotted EQUALLY to all countries [1]. We just happen to be from a country where there are more number of applicants than green cards available. If it were discriminatory, why did the EB priority dates of China move up multiple years? It's because the EB applications from Chinese nationals have dropped considerably, not because the US is suddenly schmoozing to Chinese nationals. > "you never heard of families under strain because 6 years into their Green Card application they had to suddenly leave" Life events happen (do you expect your life to be smooth sailing?) and you have to take decisions based on it. Let me tell you something, H1B is way way more permissive than work visas in most of Europe and Middle East. Chew on that for a minute. > "Or where someone on OPT couldn't leave to visit their dying parents" This cannot be a regular occurrence. Again, this is hyperbole. > "Or families torn apart. All that means nothing?" Were you kidnapped from your family and brought to the US in a shipping container with 100's of other people? All of us "left our families" and came here with our own FREE WILL. No one brought you here against your free will. I use "I" because these are my opinions and I don't speak for anyone else. I definitely do not empathize with hyperbole, I can tell you that :) Please read the link below before passing judgments on hearsay. [1] http://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/country-limit http://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/country-limit

Nutmog 11y ago
> Because that is the law of the land and it is fair since... By the argument, any legal discrimination that blankets entire groups of people with the same random chance is right and fair. Slavery - OK as long as blacks kidnapped from any African country were treated equally. Segregation - OK as long as blacks anywhere in America got the same treatment. It sounds like a wind-up, but really immigration discrimination is just like race or gender discrimination. It's not fair. The difference is that popular culture hasn't graced it with its wand of disapproval so most people can't recognize it.
- ashwinaj 11y ago
  How about actually finishing my quote? Please explain to me how a 7% cap per year on all countries is discriminatory and not fair? As I've mentioned earlier to secondtimeuse, please don't compare the challenges of H1B workers to events in which people were actually murdered or lived in fear of their death. It's ridiculous.
secondtimeuse 11y ago
Dude you are seriously retarded if you don't realize the discrimination. Here is the article by The Hill that lays out the case and how it affects Indians , Chinese and people from Philippines. http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/259076-why-does-the-us-discriminate-against-immigrants-from-big http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/259076-why... http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2015/5/13/grass-greener-eb-immigration/ http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2015/5/13/grass-greener-eb...
- ashwinaj 11y ago
  If I'm retarded, please explain to me how a 7% cap per year on all countries is discriminatory and not fair? Would you propose 50% or 100% going to India? That would be discriminatory to other countries. Stop being emotional and falling for arguments that favor your point of view.
  - secondtimeuse 11y ago
    If only you had read that article: "In 2011, it passed overwhelmingly in the House by 389 to 15." "Per-country quotas restrict individuals from any single country seeking to come to the U.S. to no more than 7 percent of the green cards available in any category in any year. This restriction favors those from small countries at the expense of those from larger ones. By treating nationality as the relevant factor, India is treated equally with Luxembourg, but Indian immigrants are massively disadvantaged. Equality in theory, inequality in practice. It is a system of expedited processing for people from less populous countries; it is arbitrary and unfair. The large countries that are most disadvantaged — the Philippines, India, China and Mexico — are all non-European nations that, until recently, had little ethnic representation in the U.S. While the issue is ignored, the lines for visas have stretched to absurd lengths. Adult children of U.S. citizens from Mexico, Philippines, India and China can expect seven- to 21-year waiting periods. Workers from China, India and the Philippines with a college degree or less will have to wait between two and 10 years. There are no legitimate reasons for this discrimination for any immigrants, but the system is particularly perverse for employment-based immigrants. Arbitrarily delaying hires punishes the American economy, costing us productivity, innovation and competitiveness. " An argument that was accepted by a significant majority of congressmen but is simply pending due to refusal by immigration hardliners to reach any kind of compromise on undocumented immigration.

Nutmog 11y ago

> Because that is the law of the land and it is fair since... By the argument, any legal discrimination that blankets entire groups of people with the same random chance is right and fair. Slavery - OK as long as blacks kidnapped from any African country were treated equally. Segregation - OK as long as blacks anywhere in America got the same treatment. It sounds like a wind-up, but really immigration discrimination is just like race or gender discrimination. It's not fair. The difference is that popular culture hasn't graced it with its wand of disapproval so most people can't recognize it.

ashwinaj 11y ago
How about actually finishing my quote? Please explain to me how a 7% cap per year on all countries is discriminatory and not fair? As I've mentioned earlier to secondtimeuse, please don't compare the challenges of H1B workers to events in which people were actually murdered or lived in fear of their death. It's ridiculous.

secondtimeuse 11y ago

Dude you are seriously retarded if you don't realize the discrimination. Here is the article by The Hill that lays out the case and how it affects Indians , Chinese and people from Philippines. http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/259076-why-does-the-us-discriminate-against-immigrants-from-big http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/259076-why... http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2015/5/13/grass-greener-eb-immigration/ http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2015/5/13/grass-greener-eb...

ashwinaj 11y ago
If I'm retarded, please explain to me how a 7% cap per year on all countries is discriminatory and not fair? Would you propose 50% or 100% going to India? That would be discriminatory to other countries. Stop being emotional and falling for arguments that favor your point of view.
- secondtimeuse 11y ago
  If only you had read that article: "In 2011, it passed overwhelmingly in the House by 389 to 15." "Per-country quotas restrict individuals from any single country seeking to come to the U.S. to no more than 7 percent of the green cards available in any category in any year. This restriction favors those from small countries at the expense of those from larger ones. By treating nationality as the relevant factor, India is treated equally with Luxembourg, but Indian immigrants are massively disadvantaged. Equality in theory, inequality in practice. It is a system of expedited processing for people from less populous countries; it is arbitrary and unfair. The large countries that are most disadvantaged — the Philippines, India, China and Mexico — are all non-European nations that, until recently, had little ethnic representation in the U.S. While the issue is ignored, the lines for visas have stretched to absurd lengths. Adult children of U.S. citizens from Mexico, Philippines, India and China can expect seven- to 21-year waiting periods. Workers from China, India and the Philippines with a college degree or less will have to wait between two and 10 years. There are no legitimate reasons for this discrimination for any immigrants, but the system is particularly perverse for employment-based immigrants. Arbitrarily delaying hires punishes the American economy, costing us productivity, innovation and competitiveness. " An argument that was accepted by a significant majority of congressmen but is simply pending due to refusal by immigration hardliners to reach any kind of compromise on undocumented immigration.