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You do realize that Jews were actually forbidden to enter and as a result millions died. Or that as early as 1965 when immigration and nationality act was enact

You do realize that Jews were actually forbidden to enter and as a result millions died. Or that as early as 1965 when immigration and nationality act was enacted lifting country based caps to certain extent. Several US Congressman reassurred the public that the country won't be overrun by "dirty hindoos" (No kidding) if you are naive enough to thing that the current immigration and H1B logjam is not result of those past laws and you ought to not argue or even offer an opinon. Well then good luck with your career with this attitude one day you will wake up with your boss screwing you and you would be a nice sheep docile and ready for sacrifice.

ashwinaj 11y ago
I am fully aware of these historical facts and I'm also aware of racist people (I used to live in Texas for 7 years). But how are these related to a US govt. issued legal immigrant visa i.e. H1B? Did you arrive in the US in a clunky boat fearing for your life and running away from a despot on an H1B? Please don't compare the challenges of H1B workers to events in which people were actually murdered or lived in fear of their death. It's ridiculous. If your premonition of being sacrificed is true, oh my, what would I do if I lose my job? I would be so lost...lol! I have the confidence (not arrogance) in my abilities to find another one :) And BTW, I was laid off my first job in late 2008 (during the recession) and I found another job. And this confidence comes from the fact that I take my career goals seriously and don't hide behind the veil of a fake victim.
- secondtimeuse 11y ago
  I did not arrive fearing for my life but so did not the guy from Germany or Singapore. Why should birthplace of a person be allowed as a criteria for discrimination. Are you serious, you never heard of families under strain because 6 years into their Green Card application they had to suddenly leave, while at the same time other countries citizen could get a job. Or where someone on OPT couldn't leave to visit their dying parents since his attorney warned him that he might not be given entry. Not everyone is born with silverspoon. Or families torn apart. All that means nothing? Your extensive use of "I" indicates general inability to empathize. with such a narcissistic frame of reference no doubt everything is "fake" according to you. Asking for just, fair and equal treatment regardless of the nationality and place of birth is not being a "fake victim". It's a cause worth fighting for.
  - ashwinaj 11y ago
    Haha..I love debating with you. Your hyperbole gets even better. >"Why should birthplace of a person be allowed as a criteria for discrimination." Because that is the law of the land and it is fair since the number of green cards are allotted EQUALLY to all countries [1]. We just happen to be from a country where there are more number of applicants than green cards available. If it were discriminatory, why did the EB priority dates of China move up multiple years? It's because the EB applications from Chinese nationals have dropped considerably, not because the US is suddenly schmoozing to Chinese nationals. > "you never heard of families under strain because 6 years into their Green Card application they had to suddenly leave" Life events happen (do you expect your life to be smooth sailing?) and you have to take decisions based on it. Let me tell you something, H1B is way way more permissive than work visas in most of Europe and Middle East. Chew on that for a minute. > "Or where someone on OPT couldn't leave to visit their dying parents" This cannot be a regular occurrence. Again, this is hyperbole. > "Or families torn apart. All that means nothing?" Were you kidnapped from your family and brought to the US in a shipping container with 100's of other people? All of us "left our families" and came here with our own FREE WILL. No one brought you here against your free will. I use "I" because these are my opinions and I don't speak for anyone else. I definitely do not empathize with hyperbole, I can tell you that :) Please read the link below before passing judgments on hearsay. [1] http://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/country-limit http://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/country-limit
    - Nutmog 11y ago
      > Because that is the law of the land and it is fair since... By the argument, any legal discrimination that blankets entire groups of people with the same random chance is right and fair. Slavery - OK as long as blacks kidnapped from any African country were treated equally. Segregation - OK as long as blacks anywhere in America got the same treatment. It sounds like a wind-up, but really immigration discrimination is just like race or gender discrimination. It's not fair. The difference is that popular culture hasn't graced it with its wand of disapproval so most people can't recognize it.
      - 11y ago
- protomyth 11y ago
  > I am fully aware of these historical facts and I'm also aware of racist people (I used to live in Texas for 7 years). It comments like these that make me believe you like to stereotype people. That does not help your arguments. The most absolute racist people I have ever met were from Washington DC and it would be wrong to assume everyone there was a racist.
  - ashwinaj 11y ago
    > "It comments like these that make me believe you like to stereotype people." And you don't? If you were in a dark alley and saw a guy in a hoodie what would you think? Exactly, it's called stereotyping :) You can twist the meaning and nitpick my comment all you want. Of course I don't mean all people, does everything need to be spelled out explicitly?

ashwinaj 11y ago

I am fully aware of these historical facts and I'm also aware of racist people (I used to live in Texas for 7 years). But how are these related to a US govt. issued legal immigrant visa i.e. H1B? Did you arrive in the US in a clunky boat fearing for your life and running away from a despot on an H1B? Please don't compare the challenges of H1B workers to events in which people were actually murdered or lived in fear of their death. It's ridiculous. If your premonition of being sacrificed is true, oh my, what would I do if I lose my job? I would be so lost...lol! I have the confidence (not arrogance) in my abilities to find another one :) And BTW, I was laid off my first job in late 2008 (during the recession) and I found another job. And this confidence comes from the fact that I take my career goals seriously and don't hide behind the veil of a fake victim.

secondtimeuse 11y ago
I did not arrive fearing for my life but so did not the guy from Germany or Singapore. Why should birthplace of a person be allowed as a criteria for discrimination. Are you serious, you never heard of families under strain because 6 years into their Green Card application they had to suddenly leave, while at the same time other countries citizen could get a job. Or where someone on OPT couldn't leave to visit their dying parents since his attorney warned him that he might not be given entry. Not everyone is born with silverspoon. Or families torn apart. All that means nothing? Your extensive use of "I" indicates general inability to empathize. with such a narcissistic frame of reference no doubt everything is "fake" according to you. Asking for just, fair and equal treatment regardless of the nationality and place of birth is not being a "fake victim". It's a cause worth fighting for.
- ashwinaj 11y ago
  Haha..I love debating with you. Your hyperbole gets even better. >"Why should birthplace of a person be allowed as a criteria for discrimination." Because that is the law of the land and it is fair since the number of green cards are allotted EQUALLY to all countries [1]. We just happen to be from a country where there are more number of applicants than green cards available. If it were discriminatory, why did the EB priority dates of China move up multiple years? It's because the EB applications from Chinese nationals have dropped considerably, not because the US is suddenly schmoozing to Chinese nationals. > "you never heard of families under strain because 6 years into their Green Card application they had to suddenly leave" Life events happen (do you expect your life to be smooth sailing?) and you have to take decisions based on it. Let me tell you something, H1B is way way more permissive than work visas in most of Europe and Middle East. Chew on that for a minute. > "Or where someone on OPT couldn't leave to visit their dying parents" This cannot be a regular occurrence. Again, this is hyperbole. > "Or families torn apart. All that means nothing?" Were you kidnapped from your family and brought to the US in a shipping container with 100's of other people? All of us "left our families" and came here with our own FREE WILL. No one brought you here against your free will. I use "I" because these are my opinions and I don't speak for anyone else. I definitely do not empathize with hyperbole, I can tell you that :) Please read the link below before passing judgments on hearsay. [1] http://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/country-limit http://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/country-limit
  - Nutmog 11y ago
    > Because that is the law of the land and it is fair since... By the argument, any legal discrimination that blankets entire groups of people with the same random chance is right and fair. Slavery - OK as long as blacks kidnapped from any African country were treated equally. Segregation - OK as long as blacks anywhere in America got the same treatment. It sounds like a wind-up, but really immigration discrimination is just like race or gender discrimination. It's not fair. The difference is that popular culture hasn't graced it with its wand of disapproval so most people can't recognize it.
    - 11y ago
protomyth 11y ago
> I am fully aware of these historical facts and I'm also aware of racist people (I used to live in Texas for 7 years). It comments like these that make me believe you like to stereotype people. That does not help your arguments. The most absolute racist people I have ever met were from Washington DC and it would be wrong to assume everyone there was a racist.
- ashwinaj 11y ago
  > "It comments like these that make me believe you like to stereotype people." And you don't? If you were in a dark alley and saw a guy in a hoodie what would you think? Exactly, it's called stereotyping :) You can twist the meaning and nitpick my comment all you want. Of course I don't mean all people, does everything need to be spelled out explicitly?