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Please This is a false dichotomy and typically parroted by upper middle class indians who had enough resources to pay for graduate school in USA. The system cou

Please This is a false dichotomy and typically parroted by upper middle class indians who had enough resources to pay for graduate school in USA. The system could use tweaks and points to grade applications but you are presentin a very naive a class based view of the situation. You might feel that you could convince immigration hardliners by this argument but in reality most are motivated by ideology rather than rationality. At the same time you will alienate other indians. With lotteries, 7+ year racist country based quotas and 12 Million undocumented immigrants it's a system which long due for a comprehensive reform don't waste time defending it.

ashwinaj 11y ago
Sorry? How is scrutinizing applications for employment a naive view of the situation? Isn't it obvious that if an application is not genuine it should be cancelled (eg., working for a "client", where the "client" is a shell company)? I'm not trying to convince anyone and I personally don't care what other Indians (as I'm Indian) think about my opinion. I only represent my opinion not theirs (and they are free to have their own and disagree with mine). On your immigration comment, if you are an American citizen you have the right to claim what you say about the immigration situation in the US. As far as I am concerned, I have no say in the immigration debate as an H1B worker. All I am concerned about is to work on challenging problems and advance my career, that's it. I am not using the so called H1B "restrictions" as an excuse for all ills as a potential immigrant.
- secondtimeuse 11y ago
  Do I get extra points regarding my opinion if I am native American, what if my ancestors were aboard Mayflower or were grudgingly accepted as Irish or if they were slaves. United States has a complex racial history which includes laws such the Chinese Exclusion act (something that lead Supreme Court to affirm birthright citizenship). To claim that by virtue of not being an American Citizen I have no right to offer an informed opinion based on moral analysis is ridiculous. What next according to your logic then any black man should not have considered himself to be an equal or should have offered an opinion until civil rights were changed. Or no one should have complained about Hitler. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound. United States is a unique country of immigrants with a chequeed past. With an argument like this no doubt you are parroting stupidity. Wake up Ashwin, life is not just about advancin career.
  - ashwinaj 11y ago
    Yes of course, how could I forget that an H1B worker is going through the same plight as a colored person pre-civil rights time and what Jews faced during Hitler's reign :) Wow! Hyperbole at it's best. > "To claim that by virtue of not being an American Citizen I have no right to offer an informed opinion based on moral analysis" Again, I never said you can't have an opinion. You have your opinion and I have mine. We agree to disagree and I like to live in reality rather than hyperbole.
    - secondtimeuse 11y ago
      You do realize that Jews were actually forbidden to enter and as a result millions died. Or that as early as 1965 when immigration and nationality act was enacted lifting country based caps to certain extent. Several US Congressman reassurred the public that the country won't be overrun by "dirty hindoos" (No kidding) if you are naive enough to thing that the current immigration and H1B logjam is not result of those past laws and you ought to not argue or even offer an opinon. Well then good luck with your career with this attitude one day you will wake up with your boss screwing you and you would be a nice sheep docile and ready for sacrifice.
      - ashwinaj 11y ago
        I am fully aware of these historical facts and I'm also aware of racist people (I used to live in Texas for 7 years). But how are these related to a US govt. issued legal immigrant visa i.e. H1B? Did you arrive in the US in a clunky boat fearing for your life and running away from a despot on an H1B? Please don't compare the challenges of H1B workers to events in which people were actually murdered or lived in fear of their death. It's ridiculous. If your premonition of being sacrificed is true, oh my, what would I do if I lose my job? I would be so lost...lol! I have the confidence (not arrogance) in my abilities to find another one :) And BTW, I was laid off my first job in late 2008 (during the recession) and I found another job. And this confidence comes from the fact that I take my career goals seriously and don't hide behind the veil of a fake victim.

ashwinaj 11y ago

Sorry? How is scrutinizing applications for employment a naive view of the situation? Isn't it obvious that if an application is not genuine it should be cancelled (eg., working for a "client", where the "client" is a shell company)? I'm not trying to convince anyone and I personally don't care what other Indians (as I'm Indian) think about my opinion. I only represent my opinion not theirs (and they are free to have their own and disagree with mine). On your immigration comment, if you are an American citizen you have the right to claim what you say about the immigration situation in the US. As far as I am concerned, I have no say in the immigration debate as an H1B worker. All I am concerned about is to work on challenging problems and advance my career, that's it. I am not using the so called H1B "restrictions" as an excuse for all ills as a potential immigrant.

secondtimeuse 11y ago
Do I get extra points regarding my opinion if I am native American, what if my ancestors were aboard Mayflower or were grudgingly accepted as Irish or if they were slaves. United States has a complex racial history which includes laws such the Chinese Exclusion act (something that lead Supreme Court to affirm birthright citizenship). To claim that by virtue of not being an American Citizen I have no right to offer an informed opinion based on moral analysis is ridiculous. What next according to your logic then any black man should not have considered himself to be an equal or should have offered an opinion until civil rights were changed. Or no one should have complained about Hitler. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound. United States is a unique country of immigrants with a chequeed past. With an argument like this no doubt you are parroting stupidity. Wake up Ashwin, life is not just about advancin career.
- ashwinaj 11y ago
  Yes of course, how could I forget that an H1B worker is going through the same plight as a colored person pre-civil rights time and what Jews faced during Hitler's reign :) Wow! Hyperbole at it's best. > "To claim that by virtue of not being an American Citizen I have no right to offer an informed opinion based on moral analysis" Again, I never said you can't have an opinion. You have your opinion and I have mine. We agree to disagree and I like to live in reality rather than hyperbole.
  - secondtimeuse 11y ago
    You do realize that Jews were actually forbidden to enter and as a result millions died. Or that as early as 1965 when immigration and nationality act was enacted lifting country based caps to certain extent. Several US Congressman reassurred the public that the country won't be overrun by "dirty hindoos" (No kidding) if you are naive enough to thing that the current immigration and H1B logjam is not result of those past laws and you ought to not argue or even offer an opinon. Well then good luck with your career with this attitude one day you will wake up with your boss screwing you and you would be a nice sheep docile and ready for sacrifice.
    - ashwinaj 11y ago
      I am fully aware of these historical facts and I'm also aware of racist people (I used to live in Texas for 7 years). But how are these related to a US govt. issued legal immigrant visa i.e. H1B? Did you arrive in the US in a clunky boat fearing for your life and running away from a despot on an H1B? Please don't compare the challenges of H1B workers to events in which people were actually murdered or lived in fear of their death. It's ridiculous. If your premonition of being sacrificed is true, oh my, what would I do if I lose my job? I would be so lost...lol! I have the confidence (not arrogance) in my abilities to find another one :) And BTW, I was laid off my first job in late 2008 (during the recession) and I found another job. And this confidence comes from the fact that I take my career goals seriously and don't hide behind the veil of a fake victim.