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> The actual basis of the raid was a false positive by a field test kit Yes, but the reason they were being investigated at all was because a cop was recording

by a3n 11y ago

> The actual basis of the raid was a false positive by a field test kit Yes, but the reason they were being investigated at all was because a cop was recording license plate numbers at a garden supply store. You don't even have to have something to hide to fall prey to the war on citizens. If the police need an arrest, and they're looking at you, you'll be arrested.

rdtsc 11y ago
Exactly. You don't know if you have something to hide. Either because you don't know how an irrational enemy (in case govt) will interpret your actions, so you want to minimize their ability to see your actions, or you don't know what will happen in the future. Because everything is recorded these days, you don't know if in the future you might want to hide something you did today. Say, you like to drink hibiscus tea and wear blue shoes. But it turns out in the future members of some horrible terrorist group will be drinking hibiscus tea and wearing blue shoes. Then you'd be a target all of the sudden. EDIT: This similar to how police always can search your car if they want to -- they call the K-9 unit. The handler says "find boy" or does some other trained jesture or word, dog signals, now there is a probable cause to search your vehicle. It is very hard to prove that the dog was conditioned to signal on command and hard to refute (cop's word vs yours). So that is why K-9 units are very popular with some police departments. They provide ambiguity and plausable pretext for searches.
- s_q_b 11y ago
  It's really absurd that we've outsourced the Fourth Amendment to dogs.
  - u801e 11y ago
    Quoting a post I recently came across on reddit: > The Fourth Amendment of the Constitution clearly states: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated unless a dog barks."

by a3n 11y ago

rdtsc 11y ago

Exactly. You don't know if you have something to hide. Either because you don't know how an irrational enemy (in case govt) will interpret your actions, so you want to minimize their ability to see your actions, or you don't know what will happen in the future. Because everything is recorded these days, you don't know if in the future you might want to hide something you did today. Say, you like to drink hibiscus tea and wear blue shoes. But it turns out in the future members of some horrible terrorist group will be drinking hibiscus tea and wearing blue shoes. Then you'd be a target all of the sudden. EDIT: This similar to how police always can search your car if they want to -- they call the K-9 unit. The handler says "find boy" or does some other trained jesture or word, dog signals, now there is a probable cause to search your vehicle. It is very hard to prove that the dog was conditioned to signal on command and hard to refute (cop's word vs yours). So that is why K-9 units are very popular with some police departments. They provide ambiguity and plausable pretext for searches.

s_q_b 11y ago
It's really absurd that we've outsourced the Fourth Amendment to dogs.
- u801e 11y ago
  Quoting a post I recently came across on reddit: > The Fourth Amendment of the Constitution clearly states: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated unless a dog barks."