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Norway had a terrible terror attack a few years ago. They didn't opt for more surveillance. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/27/norway-terror-attacks-

Norway had a terrible terror attack a few years ago. They didn't opt for more surveillance. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/27/norway-terror-attacks-prime-minister http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/27/norway-terror-a...

at-fates-hands 11y ago
Norway also has a fraction of the population and has a history of very low violence. It's easy to say this attack was an outlier considering the long history of non-violence in their country. Norway isn't a really high target on any terrorist hit list either. One of the reasons for mass surveillance is the idea if you have a massive population its the only way to keep tabs on the bad guys. This of course begs the question how the San Bernardino shooters got away with their attack if the NSA was properly doing their job and mass surveillance actually worked; which it clearly didn't in the California case.
- sandstrom 11y ago
  The non-violent history of Norway is true. Still, I think this misplaced fear (which many feel) is what's tricking us. If you dig a bit, there are examples in the other direction. === # More likely to be crushed by furniture then killed by a terrorist: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/23/youre-more-likely-to-be-fatally-crushed-by-furniture-than-killed-by-a-terrorist/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/2... # Guns kill many more than do terrorists (similar argument): http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9446193/gun-deaths-aids-war-terrorism http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9446193/gun-deaths-aids-war-ter... # Spending isn't allocated to the common causes of death: http://i1.wp.com/thinkbynumbers.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/594-1.jpg?resize=620%2C1546 http://i1.wp.com/thinkbynumbers.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/... # Airport security 'causing' unnecessary deaths Slow air travel due to security is shifting (some proportion of) travelers to cars, where accidents are more common. http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2012-11-18/how-airport-security-is-killing-us http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2012-11-18/how-airport-... === I could go on. Yes, terrorism is an issue that should be dealt with. But it should be handled rationally and with proportionality.
  - Grishnakh 11y ago
    >The non-violent history of Norway is true. I disagree, based on what I've read about Vikings. Those were some pretty brutal people.

at-fates-hands 11y ago

Norway also has a fraction of the population and has a history of very low violence. It's easy to say this attack was an outlier considering the long history of non-violence in their country. Norway isn't a really high target on any terrorist hit list either. One of the reasons for mass surveillance is the idea if you have a massive population its the only way to keep tabs on the bad guys. This of course begs the question how the San Bernardino shooters got away with their attack if the NSA was properly doing their job and mass surveillance actually worked; which it clearly didn't in the California case.

sandstrom 11y ago
The non-violent history of Norway is true. Still, I think this misplaced fear (which many feel) is what's tricking us. If you dig a bit, there are examples in the other direction. === # More likely to be crushed by furniture then killed by a terrorist: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/23/youre-more-likely-to-be-fatally-crushed-by-furniture-than-killed-by-a-terrorist/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/2... # Guns kill many more than do terrorists (similar argument): http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9446193/gun-deaths-aids-war-terrorism http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9446193/gun-deaths-aids-war-ter... # Spending isn't allocated to the common causes of death: http://i1.wp.com/thinkbynumbers.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/594-1.jpg?resize=620%2C1546 http://i1.wp.com/thinkbynumbers.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/... # Airport security 'causing' unnecessary deaths Slow air travel due to security is shifting (some proportion of) travelers to cars, where accidents are more common. http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2012-11-18/how-airport-security-is-killing-us http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2012-11-18/how-airport-... === I could go on. Yes, terrorism is an issue that should be dealt with. But it should be handled rationally and with proportionality.
- Grishnakh 11y ago
  >The non-violent history of Norway is true. I disagree, based on what I've read about Vikings. Those were some pretty brutal people.