4 ms·

How is native vs open web still an interesting narrative? I was hoping for some new spin as I read this but its still the same apple trash-talking. Somehow it

How is native vs open web still an interesting narrative? I was hoping for some new spin as I read this but its still the same apple trash-talking. Somehow it always seems to be about CONTROL with native. Control of the platform is something _earned_ because the end-user experience is just better. Apple might look like they are defending their powerful native app position, but how about they just believe its better? They started the iPhone with web app and realized its better for the end user when software is written as extensions to the core OS rather than on top of a browser engine? With everyone iOS release, they go further down the road and continue to prove to both developers and users (who use the developer's features) that there is more innovation to be had with native, with more endpoints at both the low and high levels. It isn't just about sensors and vibrations and better hardware interfaces. It a better interface with the OS itself. You want the presence of an apps value on your phone but have those things show up in familiar places. This is why you have today screen extensions. I am sure notes extensions, calendar extensions, etc are coming.

dyoder 11y ago
Is it so much of a stretch to believe that a vendor might believe it is in their best interest to control the application platform? Why give Apple the benefit of the doubt here? Ironically, one reason to do that is that Apple is active in defining and implementing Open Web standards, many of which are aimed at improving the Web as an app platform. Which, in turn, is exactly why this is still an “interesting narrative”--both Web and native are rapidly evolving.
- enos_feedler 11y ago
  I think it is in their best interest to control, but I've seen that spun as the end not the means. Apple's ultimate goal is not control of the app ecosystem, but to improve end-user experience. Control is a necessary part of that. And the narrative I'm referring to is web VS. native. like one is going to kill the other. We keep talking about this battle but there is no winner, each has their place. period
palakchokshi 11y ago
Replace the word Apple here with Microsoft and you would be making the argument for open standards and platforms circa 1999-2005. In the end the web was built so we didn't have to download a bunch of software. That is the logical conclusion of this debate.
- enos_feedler 11y ago
  The web was not built so we didn't have to download a bunch of software. I think you're making an argument for web apps. The web as a "document" is much older than that. We need an open standard for apps but it doesn't have to be built on top of the web. I think we are going to witness the birth of new app standards built on top of open container specifications that can wrap native binaries.

dyoder 11y ago

Is it so much of a stretch to believe that a vendor might believe it is in their best interest to control the application platform? Why give Apple the benefit of the doubt here? Ironically, one reason to do that is that Apple is active in defining and implementing Open Web standards, many of which are aimed at improving the Web as an app platform. Which, in turn, is exactly why this is still an “interesting narrative”--both Web and native are rapidly evolving.

enos_feedler 11y ago
I think it is in their best interest to control, but I've seen that spun as the end not the means. Apple's ultimate goal is not control of the app ecosystem, but to improve end-user experience. Control is a necessary part of that. And the narrative I'm referring to is web VS. native. like one is going to kill the other. We keep talking about this battle but there is no winner, each has their place. period

palakchokshi 11y ago

Replace the word Apple here with Microsoft and you would be making the argument for open standards and platforms circa 1999-2005. In the end the web was built so we didn't have to download a bunch of software. That is the logical conclusion of this debate.

enos_feedler 11y ago
The web was not built so we didn't have to download a bunch of software. I think you're making an argument for web apps. The web as a "document" is much older than that. We need an open standard for apps but it doesn't have to be built on top of the web. I think we are going to witness the birth of new app standards built on top of open container specifications that can wrap native binaries.