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Wow, living in Germany I graduated in CS with ~7k in loans. Just the idea that a government does not pay its childrens education is freakin me out and from my p

by gd78 11y ago

Wow, living in Germany I graduated in CS with ~7k in loans. Just the idea that a government does not pay its childrens education is freakin me out and from my perspective seems to be a neo liberalism horror story.

pigpaws 11y ago
college professors in the States need to be compensated at the same rate as company CEOs. EVERYONE 'deserves' a flat screen 4k TV, a brand new car every 3 years and 7%+ gains on any and all investments, otherwise, it isn't "fair".
- tostitos1979 11y ago
  Umm .. no. As someone who was a lecturer for a top CS dept, I can tell you that professors do not get compensated the same as CEOs. You can use google to check salaries for public university professors in many places (since this information is public). When a CS PhD accepts a job at a University, they take a pay cut from what the private sector pays. A full professor makes under 200K, and that is at the top of the stack. The average take for assistant and associate profs (at top CS schools in North America) is more like 130-140K. Not what CEOs make!
  - Futurebot 11y ago
    Not to mention how many professors are being replaced by adjuncts ("Overall, non-tenure- track faculty, often known as adjunct or contingent faculty, now account for three-quarters of the instructional faculty at non-profit colleges and universities across the country."): http://agb.org/trusteeship/2013/5/changing-academic-workforce http://agb.org/trusteeship/2013/5/changing-academic-workforc... Those adjuncts are often contingent, low-paid workers: http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-plain-sight/poverty-u-many-adjunct-professors-food-stamps-n336596 http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-plain-sight/poverty-u-many... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/19/opinion/your-waitress-your-professor.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/19/opinion/your-waitress-your... http://www.thenation.com/article/why-is-college-so-expensive-if-professors-are-paid-so-little/ http://www.thenation.com/article/why-is-college-so-expensive... The numbers you present themselves are in the top 25% or 33% (depending on which measure you look at) of earners as professors, all inclusive. The idea that most professors are well-compensated on the whole is absurd. Wasn't the old deal supposed to be "decent compensation, but not great, made up for with great benefits and tenure?" Now it's "terrible compensation and no benefits, no tenure." Of course, the person you're responding to seems to be making their comment sarcastically in any case.
sjg007 11y ago
Your kids (or any American who qualifies) can go to school in Germany for free.

by gd78 11y ago

pigpaws 11y ago

college professors in the States need to be compensated at the same rate as company CEOs. EVERYONE 'deserves' a flat screen 4k TV, a brand new car every 3 years and 7%+ gains on any and all investments, otherwise, it isn't "fair".

tostitos1979 11y ago
Umm .. no. As someone who was a lecturer for a top CS dept, I can tell you that professors do not get compensated the same as CEOs. You can use google to check salaries for public university professors in many places (since this information is public). When a CS PhD accepts a job at a University, they take a pay cut from what the private sector pays. A full professor makes under 200K, and that is at the top of the stack. The average take for assistant and associate profs (at top CS schools in North America) is more like 130-140K. Not what CEOs make!
- Futurebot 11y ago
  Not to mention how many professors are being replaced by adjuncts ("Overall, non-tenure- track faculty, often known as adjunct or contingent faculty, now account for three-quarters of the instructional faculty at non-profit colleges and universities across the country."): http://agb.org/trusteeship/2013/5/changing-academic-workforce http://agb.org/trusteeship/2013/5/changing-academic-workforc... Those adjuncts are often contingent, low-paid workers: http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-plain-sight/poverty-u-many-adjunct-professors-food-stamps-n336596 http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-plain-sight/poverty-u-many... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/19/opinion/your-waitress-your-professor.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/19/opinion/your-waitress-your... http://www.thenation.com/article/why-is-college-so-expensive-if-professors-are-paid-so-little/ http://www.thenation.com/article/why-is-college-so-expensive... The numbers you present themselves are in the top 25% or 33% (depending on which measure you look at) of earners as professors, all inclusive. The idea that most professors are well-compensated on the whole is absurd. Wasn't the old deal supposed to be "decent compensation, but not great, made up for with great benefits and tenure?" Now it's "terrible compensation and no benefits, no tenure." Of course, the person you're responding to seems to be making their comment sarcastically in any case.

sjg007 11y ago

Your kids (or any American who qualifies) can go to school in Germany for free.