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But doctors can be helpful. I was once in poor health. Feeling tired, suffering from high cholesterol and gaining weight despite not eating much. He told me t

But doctors can be helpful. I was once in poor health. Feeling tired, suffering from high cholesterol and gaining weight despite not eating much. He told me to drop saturated fats, simple sugars and animal protein. And instead choke on complex carbs, vegetables and vegetable oils. The doctor was fat himself, so the contrarian in me did the natural thing and went 180 on his advice: dropped complex carbs, vegetables and oils and instead choked on saturated fats, simple carbs (even sugar and candy) and animal protein. I was once in poor health.

mod 11y ago
> gaining weight despite not eating much. It doesn't work like that. It really discounts the rest of your story.
- Diamons 11y ago
  There's plenty of science showing that people with different gut bacteria can lose / gain weight while eating the same amount of calories.
- jrowley 11y ago
  Yeah outside of tapeworms, eating at a calorie deficit should always result in weight loss (although not healthy, sustainable weight loss).
  - TurboHaskal 11y ago
    >be me >eat like crap following doc's advice >hormonal issues and possible micronutrient deficits >feel lethargic and without energy >non exercise activity thermogenesis decreases >decreased energy makes me not take part into sports >no sports and low protein drops lean tissue which drops rest metabolic rate even further >now getting fat despite not eating much relative to a normal adult >reverse doc advice >better mood and increased energy >increased NEAT which allows me to eat more >start doing sports >now maintaining weight with 4000kcal >talk about it in tech forum >being called a liar by nitpicking hners who can't read >nerds triggered by mean comment >karma drops below -9000 >eventually banned by admins
    - merpnderp 11y ago
      This times ten. The stomach isn't some fuel tank that if you put too much in it stores the extra fuel. I lost weight at 4K calories a day and I've gained it at 1.5K/day. All while maintaining the same amount of exercise. Really from just cutting out sugar, grains and starch, I moved my cholesterol from slighty bad to really good and cut triglycerides from 150 to 65. Plus lost 43 pounds. In 4 months. While cramming my face at nearly every meal.
      - fallingfrog 11y ago
        Yeah I don't know bud. The human body is pretty good at not wasting calories, and there's no way to double or triple your base metabolism like you're describing. My guess is you're measuring water weight, and confusing dehydration with weight loss. Maybe you ate a whole bunch of salty food and your body had to use a bunch of water to flush it out. The fact that you lost 43 pounds is telling, it means you were at least that much overweight to begin with, so the fluctuation day to day is going to be quite large. Once you get into shape enough to consider yourself an athlete, no way you can eat like that and not gain weight, unless you have the muscle mass of Michael Phelps, and spend as much time as him training too. Hiking up and down Mount Washington, for example, is going to burn maybe 5000 calories, assuming you don't eat anything on the way up or down and drink only water. But you can't hike Mt Washington every day and keep your knees and your job. So you can't possibly need that many calories.
        merpnderp 11y ago
        And yet the research keeps pointing in a single direction. Low carb diets improve cholesterol and triglycerides, and reduce weight. No one thinks that when you eat 4K calories of bacon, butter covered vegetables, and more bacon, that your body is actually making use of all that energy. But if you eat cereals, sugar, and potatoes, there's quite a bit of evidence that your body does make use of it all. I'm sure your advice is well intentioned, but I'll go with what the research keeps alluding to. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/low-carbohydrate-diets/ http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/lo...
- jimrandomh 11y ago
  Please don't pretend to understand nutrition if you don't. Doing this hurts people.
garblegarble 11y ago
That's neat - what does a typical day look like for you? I assume since you're allowing yourself simple carbs you're not in ketosis, what sorts of vegetables do you have with your meals?

mod 11y ago

> gaining weight despite not eating much. It doesn't work like that. It really discounts the rest of your story.

Diamons 11y ago
There's plenty of science showing that people with different gut bacteria can lose / gain weight while eating the same amount of calories.
jrowley 11y ago
Yeah outside of tapeworms, eating at a calorie deficit should always result in weight loss (although not healthy, sustainable weight loss).
- TurboHaskal 11y ago
  >be me >eat like crap following doc's advice >hormonal issues and possible micronutrient deficits >feel lethargic and without energy >non exercise activity thermogenesis decreases >decreased energy makes me not take part into sports >no sports and low protein drops lean tissue which drops rest metabolic rate even further >now getting fat despite not eating much relative to a normal adult >reverse doc advice >better mood and increased energy >increased NEAT which allows me to eat more >start doing sports >now maintaining weight with 4000kcal >talk about it in tech forum >being called a liar by nitpicking hners who can't read >nerds triggered by mean comment >karma drops below -9000 >eventually banned by admins
  - merpnderp 11y ago
    This times ten. The stomach isn't some fuel tank that if you put too much in it stores the extra fuel. I lost weight at 4K calories a day and I've gained it at 1.5K/day. All while maintaining the same amount of exercise. Really from just cutting out sugar, grains and starch, I moved my cholesterol from slighty bad to really good and cut triglycerides from 150 to 65. Plus lost 43 pounds. In 4 months. While cramming my face at nearly every meal.
    - fallingfrog 11y ago
      Yeah I don't know bud. The human body is pretty good at not wasting calories, and there's no way to double or triple your base metabolism like you're describing. My guess is you're measuring water weight, and confusing dehydration with weight loss. Maybe you ate a whole bunch of salty food and your body had to use a bunch of water to flush it out. The fact that you lost 43 pounds is telling, it means you were at least that much overweight to begin with, so the fluctuation day to day is going to be quite large. Once you get into shape enough to consider yourself an athlete, no way you can eat like that and not gain weight, unless you have the muscle mass of Michael Phelps, and spend as much time as him training too. Hiking up and down Mount Washington, for example, is going to burn maybe 5000 calories, assuming you don't eat anything on the way up or down and drink only water. But you can't hike Mt Washington every day and keep your knees and your job. So you can't possibly need that many calories.
      - merpnderp 11y ago
        And yet the research keeps pointing in a single direction. Low carb diets improve cholesterol and triglycerides, and reduce weight. No one thinks that when you eat 4K calories of bacon, butter covered vegetables, and more bacon, that your body is actually making use of all that energy. But if you eat cereals, sugar, and potatoes, there's quite a bit of evidence that your body does make use of it all. I'm sure your advice is well intentioned, but I'll go with what the research keeps alluding to. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/low-carbohydrate-diets/ http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/lo...
jimrandomh 11y ago
Please don't pretend to understand nutrition if you don't. Doing this hurts people.

garblegarble 11y ago

That's neat - what does a typical day look like for you? I assume since you're allowing yourself simple carbs you're not in ketosis, what sorts of vegetables do you have with your meals?