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About 3 weeks ago, I was diagnosed with T2 diabetes. I was given the "take this pill and leave me alone" treatment most doctors do these days. The pill was Metf

by kefka 11y ago

About 3 weeks ago, I was diagnosed with T2 diabetes. I was given the "take this pill and leave me alone" treatment most doctors do these days. The pill was Metformin. I asked about food, since that is the only way I am getting nutrients in my body. His answer was, "If it tastes good, don't eat it." I cook a great deal, as does my wife. If I can change my diet so that my blood-sugar level stays within healthy parameters, I'll gladly do it. And, I've done it. There is a technique called "Eating to the meter", which tailors a diabetes diet to your body. I can see what foods do what. Those sugar-alcohols sometimes do and don't cause an effect. Malitol causes no spike, but xylitol does. Don't know why, but I know it does in me. And all of this is internet derived advice. But it's better; far better than what the doctor said... 'Take this pill and go away'

beachstartup 11y ago
do some research into ketogenic diets. "if it tastes good don't eat it" mainly refers to processed sugar and carbs, not real food. for example, roasted chicken and cauliflower tastes delicious and i would certainly choose it over a donut any time of day. is chicken and cauliflower somehow off limits for diabetics? i'm no doctor, but probably not.
- kefka 11y ago
  Unfortunately, that's the pablum my doctor said. I have not been following my doctor's advice, as it is generally scientifically bad. I haven't went all in what was said. All meats are safe, as long as they are relatively unprocessed. When processing adds corn starch, sugar, or other carbohydrates is when the meats are not good for me. Cauliflower is perfect for me. It's also how I make "mashed potatoes". Find a frozen bag of cauliflower and cook it. Let it dry out a bit, and add butter and heavy whipping cream, and blend. 0g carb mashed potatoes. Also, How I have been testing food is "test -> eat -> blood glucose test every half hour for 3 times". Now that I have data on about 70% of what I normally eat, I don't have to test those foods. I'm much healthier now that I'm following a low carb diet of my own design. I'm eating about 0-15 g carbs a day. Surprisingly, it's similar to Atkins, but with the blood-glucose meter component. I can scientifically say that I'm doing better with regards to that dimension.
  - beachstartup 11y ago
    try buying a whole head of cauliflower and roasting it for 45 minutes at 350F with some olive oil and salt/pepper on it. i just eat it like a steak.
  - noondip 11y ago
    > All meats are safe Meat, processed or not, is a large risk factor in diabetes. See: Meat consumption, diabetes, and its complications. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23354681 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23354681 Association between dietary meat consumption and incident type 2 diabetes: the EPIC-InterAct study. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22983636 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22983636 Oxygen-carrying proteins in meat and risk of diabetes mellitus. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23778318 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23778318 Relationship of dietary saturated fatty acids and body habitus to serum insulin concentrations: the Normative Aging Study. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8338037 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8338037 Also, fruit and vegetables are all "carbs", so a diet with 0 carbs is utter insanity, and a recipe for poor health and disease.
    - beachstartup 11y ago
      this guy always chimes in with this kind of thing - he's pushing a vegan agenda.
      - noondip 11y ago
        You have been warned by moderators before to tone down your rhetoric regarding my posts; I'm simply presenting some worthwhile research, which you should reply to on its merit, not your preconceived notion that any evidence you disagree with must be part of some agenda. That you keep painting me with a "vegan" paintbrush in order to downplay or even dismiss me gives credence to the fact you haven't actually got a scientifically tenable argument to retort with.
        kefka 11y ago
        Frankly, I don't care about what percentage of the population gets X. Or Y. Or might get Z. In the end, those studies are nigh worthless, because they are about some statistic. When you're a doctor, a statistic is nice because they can be partially right. I want custom medicine tailored to me! Instead of meat-hating studies, show me tests I can conduct that can validate your assertions about my own body. What tests can I run reasonably? I can obtain the appropriate equipment. (I replied here because reply was off. Deleted for a proper response)
Mz 11y ago
Congrats on your accomplishments. If I can change my diet so that my blood-sugar level stays within healthy parameters, I'll gladly do it. In addition to what you have done, you might look up articles on diabetes and inflammation. They are linked. I have a condition that predisposes me to blood sugar issues and I have worked on consuming an anti-inflammatory diet. Addressing the blood sugar issues was not even on my radar. I had other concerns I was trying to address. My blood sugar is more stable than it has probably ever been in my life.

by kefka 11y ago

beachstartup 11y ago

do some research into ketogenic diets. "if it tastes good don't eat it" mainly refers to processed sugar and carbs, not real food. for example, roasted chicken and cauliflower tastes delicious and i would certainly choose it over a donut any time of day. is chicken and cauliflower somehow off limits for diabetics? i'm no doctor, but probably not.

kefka 11y ago
Unfortunately, that's the pablum my doctor said. I have not been following my doctor's advice, as it is generally scientifically bad. I haven't went all in what was said. All meats are safe, as long as they are relatively unprocessed. When processing adds corn starch, sugar, or other carbohydrates is when the meats are not good for me. Cauliflower is perfect for me. It's also how I make "mashed potatoes". Find a frozen bag of cauliflower and cook it. Let it dry out a bit, and add butter and heavy whipping cream, and blend. 0g carb mashed potatoes. Also, How I have been testing food is "test -> eat -> blood glucose test every half hour for 3 times". Now that I have data on about 70% of what I normally eat, I don't have to test those foods. I'm much healthier now that I'm following a low carb diet of my own design. I'm eating about 0-15 g carbs a day. Surprisingly, it's similar to Atkins, but with the blood-glucose meter component. I can scientifically say that I'm doing better with regards to that dimension.
- beachstartup 11y ago
  try buying a whole head of cauliflower and roasting it for 45 minutes at 350F with some olive oil and salt/pepper on it. i just eat it like a steak.
- noondip 11y ago
  > All meats are safe Meat, processed or not, is a large risk factor in diabetes. See: Meat consumption, diabetes, and its complications. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23354681 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23354681 Association between dietary meat consumption and incident type 2 diabetes: the EPIC-InterAct study. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22983636 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22983636 Oxygen-carrying proteins in meat and risk of diabetes mellitus. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23778318 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23778318 Relationship of dietary saturated fatty acids and body habitus to serum insulin concentrations: the Normative Aging Study. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8338037 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8338037 Also, fruit and vegetables are all "carbs", so a diet with 0 carbs is utter insanity, and a recipe for poor health and disease.
  - beachstartup 11y ago
    this guy always chimes in with this kind of thing - he's pushing a vegan agenda.
    - noondip 11y ago
      You have been warned by moderators before to tone down your rhetoric regarding my posts; I'm simply presenting some worthwhile research, which you should reply to on its merit, not your preconceived notion that any evidence you disagree with must be part of some agenda. That you keep painting me with a "vegan" paintbrush in order to downplay or even dismiss me gives credence to the fact you haven't actually got a scientifically tenable argument to retort with.
      - kefka 11y ago
        Frankly, I don't care about what percentage of the population gets X. Or Y. Or might get Z. In the end, those studies are nigh worthless, because they are about some statistic. When you're a doctor, a statistic is nice because they can be partially right. I want custom medicine tailored to me! Instead of meat-hating studies, show me tests I can conduct that can validate your assertions about my own body. What tests can I run reasonably? I can obtain the appropriate equipment. (I replied here because reply was off. Deleted for a proper response)

Mz 11y ago

Congrats on your accomplishments. If I can change my diet so that my blood-sugar level stays within healthy parameters, I'll gladly do it. In addition to what you have done, you might look up articles on diabetes and inflammation. They are linked. I have a condition that predisposes me to blood sugar issues and I have worked on consuming an anti-inflammatory diet. Addressing the blood sugar issues was not even on my radar. I had other concerns I was trying to address. My blood sugar is more stable than it has probably ever been in my life.