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It's not that people don't realize that proper nutrition is important. They don't want to give up their lifestyle of eating out at every trending restaurant or

by suneilp 11y ago

It's not that people don't realize that proper nutrition is important. They don't want to give up their lifestyle of eating out at every trending restaurant or indulging in something not so good for you. Stuff you shouldn't eat too much tends stimulate the release of mood altering hormones leading to an addiction. After one or two decades of processed foods, people no longer know what to eat. My doctor prescribes foods and it works really well. I'm really glad to see the industry is beginning to change.

kelukelugames 11y ago
A doctor friend says patients never listen when he tells them to lose weight.
- kefka 11y ago
  "Eggs are good." "eggs are bad." "Coffee is good." "Coffee is bad." "Alcohol is bad." "Red wine is good." "Fats are bad." "Fats are good." Ad absurdum. What else do you expect when the nutritionists, doctors, and universities have horrifically conflicting data? The answer, to me, seems to be a tailored diet to the person... but with 10 minute doctor visits that's not going to happen. The best you can expect is "take a pill and move on".
  - jrowley 11y ago
    Everything in moderation. That's a decent rule of thumb.
    - noondip 11y ago
      Everything? Even cigarettes? Of course not, so a better rule of thumb would be to avoid things which are known to cause health problems altogether, at least to an extent which is practical.
      - ams6110 11y ago
        Sure, an occasional cigarette probably won't hurt much, all things considered. Exercise (beyond a point) can cause health problems. I know of a guy who is a quadriplegic because he liked to bike on trails.
        SilasX 11y ago
        But health authorities won't say that; once it gets to the level of advice to laymen, it's been heavily filtered. A quick search returns this page, which claims that "there is no safe level" of cigarette smoke: http://www.cancer.org.au/preventing-cancer/smoking-and-tobacco/myths-about-smoking.html http://www.cancer.org.au/preventing-cancer/smoking-and-tobac... Really? One cigarette per year (per lifetime?) will show up? Of course, what they mean is that, if you're in the population susceptible to nicotine addiction and you're trying to quit, some smoking will make it harder than not at all. But the claim is still false as taken literally.
    - kefka 11y ago
      Nope. Doesn't work in my case. At least in reference to carbohydrates (simple and complex). More carbs = higher blood sugar. Currently, diabetes type 2 dietitians say I can eat up to 60g carbs per meal. Well, see for yourself and tell me if you think that's a good idea in my case: https://mega.nz/#!JwcSEAwC!zPqA1zVhA3zcLwLLZRJucc6AtT9zlHfNYOM1jWXqfX4 https://mega.nz/#!JwcSEAwC!zPqA1zVhA3zcLwLLZRJucc6AtT9zlHfNY... Pay attention to row 37. I started with 143mg/dL . I made a meal that was much higher than I had anticipated. My high was 182mg/dL and lasted for about 3.5 hours until returning to before food numbers. And that was just 12g carbohydrates (2/3 sugar, 1/3 complex).
  - noondip 11y ago
    Eggs and fats are good? That is either a joke or an ode to powerful industry lobbying which you've fallen victim to.
    - kefka 11y ago
      First, cholesterol doesn't pass through the gastric system into blood in any meaningful amounts. The body makes its own cholesterol in the liver. So why do doctors say "cut down on cholesterol", when the body absorbs only negligible amounts? Secondly, I feel much more satiated when eating higher fat foods. I also end up eating less (documented) when fats are controlled for. Thirdly, due to your obtuseness, you miss the point I was making. There is a great deal of conflicting data in nutrition theory. Combine that with fad diets (What is it, paleo is the new in thing?) and confusion is abound everywhere.
      - dang 11y ago
        > Thirdly, due to your obtuseness Personal attacks are not allowed on HN, regardless of how obtuse someone seems. Please post civilly and substantively, or don't post.
      - noondip 11y ago
        There's isn't any conflicting data. There are only bad, biased research published which gets media attention with click-bait titles purposely to dilute actual reason and good science. I challenge you to post some actual links to articles here which advocate a high-fat or low-carb diet. I can personally guarantee you it will 1) be sponsored by the Atkins foundation and/or animal agriculture business and 2) have obvious flaws in methodology which I'll gladly point out to you. What I'll likely get instead are die-hard paleo freaks taking refuge in silent downvoting. They would rather not confront the overwhelming body of scientific evidence which disproves their "diets" and puts low-carb nonsense to shame. > cholesterol doesn't pass through the gastric system into blood in any meaningful amounts. Food is a packaged deal. You can't eat cholesterol-laden meals without also consuming vast amounts of saturated fat, for instance. What's clear beyond any shadow of a doubt is consuming a diet high in fat and cholesterol will massively increase your risk of heart disease, diabetes, etc. Whatever nit-picked understanding you have of how cholesterol works in the human physiology will not refute this fact. > I feel much more satiated when eating higher fat foods. No surprise there, considering fat has 9 calories per gram, whereas other macronutrients only have 4. But what you've done by feeling satiated is miss out on nutritionally-dense foods and replace them with poor quality foods which just fill you up.

by suneilp 11y ago

kelukelugames 11y ago

A doctor friend says patients never listen when he tells them to lose weight.

kefka 11y ago
"Eggs are good." "eggs are bad." "Coffee is good." "Coffee is bad." "Alcohol is bad." "Red wine is good." "Fats are bad." "Fats are good." Ad absurdum. What else do you expect when the nutritionists, doctors, and universities have horrifically conflicting data? The answer, to me, seems to be a tailored diet to the person... but with 10 minute doctor visits that's not going to happen. The best you can expect is "take a pill and move on".
- jrowley 11y ago
  Everything in moderation. That's a decent rule of thumb.
  - noondip 11y ago
    Everything? Even cigarettes? Of course not, so a better rule of thumb would be to avoid things which are known to cause health problems altogether, at least to an extent which is practical.
    - ams6110 11y ago
      Sure, an occasional cigarette probably won't hurt much, all things considered. Exercise (beyond a point) can cause health problems. I know of a guy who is a quadriplegic because he liked to bike on trails.
      - SilasX 11y ago
        But health authorities won't say that; once it gets to the level of advice to laymen, it's been heavily filtered. A quick search returns this page, which claims that "there is no safe level" of cigarette smoke: http://www.cancer.org.au/preventing-cancer/smoking-and-tobacco/myths-about-smoking.html http://www.cancer.org.au/preventing-cancer/smoking-and-tobac... Really? One cigarette per year (per lifetime?) will show up? Of course, what they mean is that, if you're in the population susceptible to nicotine addiction and you're trying to quit, some smoking will make it harder than not at all. But the claim is still false as taken literally.
  - kefka 11y ago
    Nope. Doesn't work in my case. At least in reference to carbohydrates (simple and complex). More carbs = higher blood sugar. Currently, diabetes type 2 dietitians say I can eat up to 60g carbs per meal. Well, see for yourself and tell me if you think that's a good idea in my case: https://mega.nz/#!JwcSEAwC!zPqA1zVhA3zcLwLLZRJucc6AtT9zlHfNYOM1jWXqfX4 https://mega.nz/#!JwcSEAwC!zPqA1zVhA3zcLwLLZRJucc6AtT9zlHfNY... Pay attention to row 37. I started with 143mg/dL . I made a meal that was much higher than I had anticipated. My high was 182mg/dL and lasted for about 3.5 hours until returning to before food numbers. And that was just 12g carbohydrates (2/3 sugar, 1/3 complex).
- noondip 11y ago
  Eggs and fats are good? That is either a joke or an ode to powerful industry lobbying which you've fallen victim to.
  - kefka 11y ago
    First, cholesterol doesn't pass through the gastric system into blood in any meaningful amounts. The body makes its own cholesterol in the liver. So why do doctors say "cut down on cholesterol", when the body absorbs only negligible amounts? Secondly, I feel much more satiated when eating higher fat foods. I also end up eating less (documented) when fats are controlled for. Thirdly, due to your obtuseness, you miss the point I was making. There is a great deal of conflicting data in nutrition theory. Combine that with fad diets (What is it, paleo is the new in thing?) and confusion is abound everywhere.
    - dang 11y ago
      > Thirdly, due to your obtuseness Personal attacks are not allowed on HN, regardless of how obtuse someone seems. Please post civilly and substantively, or don't post.
    - noondip 11y ago
      There's isn't any conflicting data. There are only bad, biased research published which gets media attention with click-bait titles purposely to dilute actual reason and good science. I challenge you to post some actual links to articles here which advocate a high-fat or low-carb diet. I can personally guarantee you it will 1) be sponsored by the Atkins foundation and/or animal agriculture business and 2) have obvious flaws in methodology which I'll gladly point out to you. What I'll likely get instead are die-hard paleo freaks taking refuge in silent downvoting. They would rather not confront the overwhelming body of scientific evidence which disproves their "diets" and puts low-carb nonsense to shame. > cholesterol doesn't pass through the gastric system into blood in any meaningful amounts. Food is a packaged deal. You can't eat cholesterol-laden meals without also consuming vast amounts of saturated fat, for instance. What's clear beyond any shadow of a doubt is consuming a diet high in fat and cholesterol will massively increase your risk of heart disease, diabetes, etc. Whatever nit-picked understanding you have of how cholesterol works in the human physiology will not refute this fact. > I feel much more satiated when eating higher fat foods. No surprise there, considering fat has 9 calories per gram, whereas other macronutrients only have 4. But what you've done by feeling satiated is miss out on nutritionally-dense foods and replace them with poor quality foods which just fill you up.