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Do you have a citation for this? I'd love to share it with a friend of mine who is afraid of being a victim of terrorism in the US.

by lfam 11y ago

yoloswagins 11y ago
The statistic comes from Dr. Cosio, who looked at newspaper reports and talked to emergency room doctors. Unfortunately, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention don't keep track of vending machine deaths, so we're left with Dr. Cosio's less than perfect methods. Full paper: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1602339 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1602339
jimktrains2 11y ago
http://freakonomics.com/2011/09/08/how-are-sharks-less-dangerous-than-vending-machines-an-exercise-in-conditional-risk/ http://freakonomics.com/2011/09/08/how-are-sharks-less-dange... might be good? You could also remind them that ~90 people die every day from car crashes. Each month more people die from car crashes than have died in terrorist attacks on the US. A similar number of people (to the number that die in car crashes) die from gun violence in the US. Terrorism should realistically be so far down on someone's lists of cars that they shouldn't be able to justify any ounce of worry on it. Driving more cautiously would be a better use of the anxiety.
nickpsecurity 11y ago
Detailed data is here: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf I'm guessing terrorism is under one of the homicides. On most years, slips in bathtubs and bee stings kill more people than terrorists. Drowning, motor vehicles, chemical poisoning, half the crap in the grocery store, too much drugs/surgery... all sorts of things Americans aren't asking for censorship or intervention for that are what kill them en masse. Terrorism? That just kills freedom when we pass laws to stop it. Just as it's partly intended to. ;)
- joesmo 11y ago
  "Terrorism? That just kills freedom when we pass laws to stop it. Just as it's partly intended to." So true. I don't think even bin Laden himself could have dreamt of the amount of damage we would do to ourselves here in the US as a result of his attacks. The self-induced aftermath is worse than the actual carnage of the attacks themselves and seemingly has no end in sight. Just as it was intended to, but on a whole other, much larger scale, no doubt.
  - nickpsecurity 11y ago
    What's bad is that it was predicted, albeit more severely, in a movie about terrorism called The Siege. Starred Denzel Washington and Bruce Willis. Had attacks, the cell model of operation, the cops (Denzel) unable to do stuff, and the military (Bruce) called in to declare martial law. Some of the stuff Denzel said in the movie apply to America today. I highly recommend it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLQOc-B0Ys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLQOc-B0Ys Note: Key difference is America became both a surveillance state and a dual state. Dual state is when two governments, public and secret, operate in parallel with one able to bend/break rules to hit certain targets. This model is less likely to cause a revolution given most people never see the other side of things.

Do you have a citation for this? I'd love to share it with a friend of mine who is afraid of being a victim of terrorism in the US.

by lfam 11y ago

Do you have a citation for this? I'd love to share it with a friend of mine who is afraid of being a victim of terrorism in the US.

yoloswagins 11y ago

The statistic comes from Dr. Cosio, who looked at newspaper reports and talked to emergency room doctors. Unfortunately, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention don't keep track of vending machine deaths, so we're left with Dr. Cosio's less than perfect methods. Full paper: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1602339 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1602339

jimktrains2 11y ago

http://freakonomics.com/2011/09/08/how-are-sharks-less-dangerous-than-vending-machines-an-exercise-in-conditional-risk/ http://freakonomics.com/2011/09/08/how-are-sharks-less-dange... might be good? You could also remind them that ~90 people die every day from car crashes. Each month more people die from car crashes than have died in terrorist attacks on the US. A similar number of people (to the number that die in car crashes) die from gun violence in the US. Terrorism should realistically be so far down on someone's lists of cars that they shouldn't be able to justify any ounce of worry on it. Driving more cautiously would be a better use of the anxiety.

nickpsecurity 11y ago

Detailed data is here: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf I'm guessing terrorism is under one of the homicides. On most years, slips in bathtubs and bee stings kill more people than terrorists. Drowning, motor vehicles, chemical poisoning, half the crap in the grocery store, too much drugs/surgery... all sorts of things Americans aren't asking for censorship or intervention for that are what kill them en masse. Terrorism? That just kills freedom when we pass laws to stop it. Just as it's partly intended to. ;)

joesmo 11y ago
"Terrorism? That just kills freedom when we pass laws to stop it. Just as it's partly intended to." So true. I don't think even bin Laden himself could have dreamt of the amount of damage we would do to ourselves here in the US as a result of his attacks. The self-induced aftermath is worse than the actual carnage of the attacks themselves and seemingly has no end in sight. Just as it was intended to, but on a whole other, much larger scale, no doubt.
- nickpsecurity 11y ago
  What's bad is that it was predicted, albeit more severely, in a movie about terrorism called The Siege. Starred Denzel Washington and Bruce Willis. Had attacks, the cell model of operation, the cops (Denzel) unable to do stuff, and the military (Bruce) called in to declare martial law. Some of the stuff Denzel said in the movie apply to America today. I highly recommend it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLQOc-B0Ys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLQOc-B0Ys Note: Key difference is America became both a surveillance state and a dual state. Dual state is when two governments, public and secret, operate in parallel with one able to bend/break rules to hit certain targets. This model is less likely to cause a revolution given most people never see the other side of things.