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What do you mean when you say 'the concept of the world'? (honestly asking) Edit: Downvoting this question? Hmm.. I'll clarify why I asked. Wikipedia: "The

What do you mean when you say 'the concept of the world'? (honestly asking) Edit: Downvoting this question? Hmm.. I'll clarify why I asked. Wikipedia: "The concept of possible worlds is common in contemporary philosophical discourse but has been disputed." (Emphasis mine) It seems dialogue to clarify this concept would have worthwhile meaning for philosophy..

tim333 11y ago
The place we live, planet earth?
- mitchtbaum 11y ago
  > The place we live, planet earth? I see each of us, and in turn our communities, living in parts of planet Earth, and to my underlying point, having, similar to our dictionary meanings[0,1], varied and overlapping views. Some of these terms' meanings have a narrow view and another a wide one, for instance: 1) "A particular group of living things", then "All that relates to a particular sphere of activity", and 2) "Human and social interaction", then "A particular region or group of countries", and 3) "The Earth", then "The Universe", and 4) "Human collective existence", then "Existence in general.". Take for example a derived term, 'worldview'. Would this necessarily have something to do with Earth? Would it better fit "An individual or group perspective or social setting" and "Age, era"? Etymologically, `world` comes from Proto-Germanic weraz +‎ aldiz (man, husband + age, generation, lifetime), and before that Proto-Indo-European wiHrós + h₂el. These terms meant to our linguistic ancestors, "hunt, warrior, hero" + “to raise, feed, nourish”. We would still have `Earth`, `Universe`, `place`, etc to use if we focused `world` on a concept more to do with something emerging from experience, as it seems to in logic (a subset of logic that, imho, has well-founded roots). I believe logically it benefits a mind to make this conceptual leap so as to capably see multiple points of view and to recognize limits and strengths in any particular one or group within a whole. Paradoxically, the many are the one, so to speak, or whole is its parts (ping Da Vinci). Some minds break on this point, some bend around it. Every report I have ever seen comes from some point of view. 0: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/world https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/world 1: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/world http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/world
  - garrettgrimsley 11y ago
    Since you seem to want to continue this unproductive line of commenting: Here, you can enjoy the report in French [0], German [1], Italian [2], Portuguese [3], and Spanish [4]. >I see each of us, and in turn our communities, living in parts of planet Earth Lucky for us the researchers organized their data by geographic bounds and we don't have to guess how they see it. "World" means "aggregate data from all respondents regardless of geographic location." How incredibly straightforward! Now, would you say that @mitchbaum often asks questions that do not contribute to the discussion [6] (modal logic, para/transconsistent, inclusive logic), or that @mitchbaum asks questions that do not contribute to the discussion [7] (Newtonian exclusive logic) [5]? [0] http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/WHR-2015-summary_final-FR.pdf http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015... [1] http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/WHR-2015-summary_final-DE.pdf http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015... [2] http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/WHR-2015-summary_final-IT.pdf http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015... [3] http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/WHR-2015-summary_final-PT.pdf http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015... [4] http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/WHR-2015-summary_final-ES.pdf http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015... [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possible_world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possible_world [6] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10796341 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10796341 [7] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10796257 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10796257
    - mitchtbaum 11y ago
      These 6 translations, on the same domain, come from the same language family, meaning their (likely) direct translations would naturally come from and with the same philosophy. We have over [6,000 languages on Earth](0) from which to describe and hear about human experience, happiness included. If you believe that one research team with one set of experiences can explain humanity, then I understand why you would feel uncomfortable with me taking issue with this limited worldview. If you can imagine 1000x more cultural values describing their own points of view, then you would have some idea what a report like this misses and potentially creates[1]. 0: http://www.languageconservancy.org/understanding-the-issue/what-is-language-loss/ http://www.languageconservancy.org/understanding-the-issue/w... 1: https://vimeo.com/30794385 https://vimeo.com/30794385 [TED Talk: Wade Davis on Endangered Cultures]

tim333 11y ago

The place we live, planet earth?

mitchtbaum 11y ago
> The place we live, planet earth? I see each of us, and in turn our communities, living in parts of planet Earth, and to my underlying point, having, similar to our dictionary meanings[0,1], varied and overlapping views. Some of these terms' meanings have a narrow view and another a wide one, for instance: 1) "A particular group of living things", then "All that relates to a particular sphere of activity", and 2) "Human and social interaction", then "A particular region or group of countries", and 3) "The Earth", then "The Universe", and 4) "Human collective existence", then "Existence in general.". Take for example a derived term, 'worldview'. Would this necessarily have something to do with Earth? Would it better fit "An individual or group perspective or social setting" and "Age, era"? Etymologically, `world` comes from Proto-Germanic weraz +‎ aldiz (man, husband + age, generation, lifetime), and before that Proto-Indo-European wiHrós + h₂el. These terms meant to our linguistic ancestors, "hunt, warrior, hero" + “to raise, feed, nourish”. We would still have `Earth`, `Universe`, `place`, etc to use if we focused `world` on a concept more to do with something emerging from experience, as it seems to in logic (a subset of logic that, imho, has well-founded roots). I believe logically it benefits a mind to make this conceptual leap so as to capably see multiple points of view and to recognize limits and strengths in any particular one or group within a whole. Paradoxically, the many are the one, so to speak, or whole is its parts (ping Da Vinci). Some minds break on this point, some bend around it. Every report I have ever seen comes from some point of view. 0: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/world https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/world 1: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/world http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/world
- garrettgrimsley 11y ago
  Since you seem to want to continue this unproductive line of commenting: Here, you can enjoy the report in French [0], German [1], Italian [2], Portuguese [3], and Spanish [4]. >I see each of us, and in turn our communities, living in parts of planet Earth Lucky for us the researchers organized their data by geographic bounds and we don't have to guess how they see it. "World" means "aggregate data from all respondents regardless of geographic location." How incredibly straightforward! Now, would you say that @mitchbaum often asks questions that do not contribute to the discussion [6] (modal logic, para/transconsistent, inclusive logic), or that @mitchbaum asks questions that do not contribute to the discussion [7] (Newtonian exclusive logic) [5]? [0] http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/WHR-2015-summary_final-FR.pdf http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015... [1] http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/WHR-2015-summary_final-DE.pdf http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015... [2] http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/WHR-2015-summary_final-IT.pdf http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015... [3] http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/WHR-2015-summary_final-PT.pdf http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015... [4] http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/WHR-2015-summary_final-ES.pdf http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015... [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possible_world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possible_world [6] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10796341 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10796341 [7] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10796257 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10796257
  - mitchtbaum 11y ago
    These 6 translations, on the same domain, come from the same language family, meaning their (likely) direct translations would naturally come from and with the same philosophy. We have over [6,000 languages on Earth](0) from which to describe and hear about human experience, happiness included. If you believe that one research team with one set of experiences can explain humanity, then I understand why you would feel uncomfortable with me taking issue with this limited worldview. If you can imagine 1000x more cultural values describing their own points of view, then you would have some idea what a report like this misses and potentially creates[1]. 0: http://www.languageconservancy.org/understanding-the-issue/what-is-language-loss/ http://www.languageconservancy.org/understanding-the-issue/w... 1: https://vimeo.com/30794385 https://vimeo.com/30794385 [TED Talk: Wade Davis on Endangered Cultures]