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Duplicate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10790734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10790734

by kenOfYugen 11y ago

skrebbel 11y ago
Why would you send someone from a submission with comments to a submission without comments?
- kenOfYugen 11y ago
  There were no constructive comments when I posted my message. I was not sending anyone anywhere, I was notifying that there is a duplicate with the same URL. Personally, every time I submit a new recent story I make sure it hasn't been submitted before. Anyways, I think this case with URLs not being completely the same but directing to the same page should be pointed out and discussed. My submission linked to: https://medium.com/@networksecurity/oleoutlook-bypass-almost-every-corporate-security-control-with-a-point-n-click-gui-37f4cbc107d0#.rxli64ped https://medium.com/@networksecurity/oleoutlook-bypass-almost... While this submission links to: https://medium.com/@networksecurity/oleoutlook-bypass-almost-every-corporate-security-control-with-a-point-n-click-gui-37f4cbc107d0#.s7estyw9m https://medium.com/@networksecurity/oleoutlook-bypass-almost... Whereas just: https://medium.com/@networksecurity/oleoutlook-bypass-almost-every-corporate-security-control-with-a-point-n-click-gui-37f4cbc107d0 https://medium.com/@networksecurity/oleoutlook-bypass-almost... would suffice. Doesn't this leave room for multiple "spammy" posts?
  - danieldk 11y ago
    Actually, Hacker News sometimes invites submitters to resubmit a story that is highly relevant but didn't get traction. So, it's natural that resubmissions sometimes occur. (Although that's not the case here.) I think it's indeed only worthwhile pointing to an existing thread if there is already a valuable discussion.
    - kenOfYugen 11y ago
      Yes, I know about legit re-submissions, but as you said this is not the case. And I totally regret pointing it out since my karma has suffered great damage... Still, one can take down all the new stories if they want, to promote their content for example, by using such methods. Wish I could just delete my parent post but unfortunately I can't...
      - detaro 11y ago
        Multiple submissions are explicitly allowed by the rules, you don't need a special invitation to submit something again. Quote: Are reposts ok? If a story has had significant attention in the last year or so, we kill reposts as duplicates. If not, a small number of reposts is ok.
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- NvidiaCUDA 11y ago
  He's hurt that he "found" someone else's blog posting first and didn't get the valuable karma points.
dang 11y ago
Signez posted it before you did—note that the item ID is earlier. The timestamp is later because we re-upped the post; we try to privilege the first submitter when we do that. You can see the original timestamp on https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=Signez https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=Signez and most other pages that list a story. For a detailed description of all this, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10705926 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10705926 and the links there. Better duplicate management is something we're working on. Keep in mind, though, that HN doesn't consider a post a duplicate until the story has had significant discussion. Otherwise too many good stories would go unnoticed.
- kenOfYugen 11y ago
  OK, I stand corrected. Appreciate it that you took the time to write this explanation.
jlgaddis 11y ago
Comparing the value of "id", it would appear that your submission is the duplicate. Relax, though, I didn't downvote you for it -- just pointing that out.

Duplicate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10790734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10790734

skrebbel 11y ago

Why would you send someone from a submission with comments to a submission without comments?

kenOfYugen 11y ago
There were no constructive comments when I posted my message. I was not sending anyone anywhere, I was notifying that there is a duplicate with the same URL. Personally, every time I submit a new recent story I make sure it hasn't been submitted before. Anyways, I think this case with URLs not being completely the same but directing to the same page should be pointed out and discussed. My submission linked to: https://medium.com/@networksecurity/oleoutlook-bypass-almost-every-corporate-security-control-with-a-point-n-click-gui-37f4cbc107d0#.rxli64ped https://medium.com/@networksecurity/oleoutlook-bypass-almost... While this submission links to: https://medium.com/@networksecurity/oleoutlook-bypass-almost-every-corporate-security-control-with-a-point-n-click-gui-37f4cbc107d0#.s7estyw9m https://medium.com/@networksecurity/oleoutlook-bypass-almost... Whereas just: https://medium.com/@networksecurity/oleoutlook-bypass-almost-every-corporate-security-control-with-a-point-n-click-gui-37f4cbc107d0 https://medium.com/@networksecurity/oleoutlook-bypass-almost... would suffice. Doesn't this leave room for multiple "spammy" posts?
- danieldk 11y ago
  Actually, Hacker News sometimes invites submitters to resubmit a story that is highly relevant but didn't get traction. So, it's natural that resubmissions sometimes occur. (Although that's not the case here.) I think it's indeed only worthwhile pointing to an existing thread if there is already a valuable discussion.
  - kenOfYugen 11y ago
    Yes, I know about legit re-submissions, but as you said this is not the case. And I totally regret pointing it out since my karma has suffered great damage... Still, one can take down all the new stories if they want, to promote their content for example, by using such methods. Wish I could just delete my parent post but unfortunately I can't...
    - detaro 11y ago
      Multiple submissions are explicitly allowed by the rules, you don't need a special invitation to submit something again. Quote: Are reposts ok? If a story has had significant attention in the last year or so, we kill reposts as duplicates. If not, a small number of reposts is ok.
- deleted 11y ago
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NvidiaCUDA 11y ago
He's hurt that he "found" someone else's blog posting first and didn't get the valuable karma points.

dang 11y ago

Signez posted it before you did—note that the item ID is earlier. The timestamp is later because we re-upped the post; we try to privilege the first submitter when we do that. You can see the original timestamp on https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=Signez https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=Signez and most other pages that list a story. For a detailed description of all this, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10705926 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10705926 and the links there. Better duplicate management is something we're working on. Keep in mind, though, that HN doesn't consider a post a duplicate until the story has had significant discussion. Otherwise too many good stories would go unnoticed.

kenOfYugen 11y ago
OK, I stand corrected. Appreciate it that you took the time to write this explanation.

jlgaddis 11y ago

Comparing the value of "id", it would appear that your submission is the duplicate. Relax, though, I didn't downvote you for it -- just pointing that out.