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The Oberon interface that I loved was in Oberon microsystems's Oberon F/Component Pascal system, originally available on Mac OS and Windows. Unfortunately, they

by MaysonL 11y ago

The Oberon interface that I loved was in Oberon microsystems's Oberon F/Component Pascal system, originally available on Mac OS and Windows. Unfortunately, they never brought it from classic Mac OS to OS X, only continuing the Windows development (and eventually abandoning further development of it [but they did open source it]).

nickpsecurity 11y ago
Is that interface still preserved in the modern Blackbox on Windows? Found this great presentation on both it and all the concepts it uses for robustness: http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~skulski/Presentations/BB_Class.pdf http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~skulski/Presentations/BB_Class... I keep thinking I need to play with it as it looks to be a great tool. Like an engineer's version of Visual Basic 6 I started on. Super easy to use, fast, and code-generating for GUI's without huge issues of C development. The complexity chart was nice while showing good old ALGOL and Turbo Pascal 2.0 fit nicely in the middle. I think the Oberon's are too simple but Component Pascal seems better. Add Design-by-Contract and some more safety features to give Eiffel + Ada some nice competition in robust, OOP space. :)
- MaysonL 11y ago
  Blackbox is much the same, although I much preferred the Mac version. The language is basically Oberon-2, with a few refinements (final declaration and a few others IIRC).
- pjmlp 11y ago
  What I liked about Component Pascal was that it extended Oberon-2 to have an OOP model more close to Object Pascal as exposed by Turbo Pascal. Also their designers were pushing for programming with components, instead of pure OOP. Basically a type safe way of doing COM. The first edition of "Component Software: Beyond Object-Oriented Programming" used mostly Component Pascal examples. http://www.amazon.com/Component-Software-Object-Oriented-Programming-Addison-Wesley/dp/032175302X http://www.amazon.com/Component-Software-Object-Oriented-Pro...
  - nickpsecurity 11y ago
    It sounds so good that I'd be ready to ditch the opportunity of Modula-2 revision for it if I was an OOP fan. I'm still not convinced it's necessary or even ideal for various tradeoffs. Besides, whether it is or isn't, Modula-2 might be worth reviving just as a C alternative for low-level stuff with more safety. I think investigations into and development of both simultaneously is justified.
    - pjmlp 11y ago
      You also have the Basic and Pascal compilers from Mikro Elektronika. http://www.mikroe.com/mikropascal/ http://www.mikroe.com/mikropascal/ http://www.mikroe.com/mikrobasic/ http://www.mikroe.com/mikrobasic/
      - nickpsecurity 11y ago
        That's great. I didn't know about them. So, that's Pascal, BASIC, and Oberon available for microcontrollers with Mikro in the lead. The other links look like they're a one stop shop. Increases odds that everything integrates well.

by MaysonL 11y ago

nickpsecurity 11y ago

Is that interface still preserved in the modern Blackbox on Windows? Found this great presentation on both it and all the concepts it uses for robustness: http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~skulski/Presentations/BB_Class.pdf http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~skulski/Presentations/BB_Class... I keep thinking I need to play with it as it looks to be a great tool. Like an engineer's version of Visual Basic 6 I started on. Super easy to use, fast, and code-generating for GUI's without huge issues of C development. The complexity chart was nice while showing good old ALGOL and Turbo Pascal 2.0 fit nicely in the middle. I think the Oberon's are too simple but Component Pascal seems better. Add Design-by-Contract and some more safety features to give Eiffel + Ada some nice competition in robust, OOP space. :)

MaysonL 11y ago
Blackbox is much the same, although I much preferred the Mac version. The language is basically Oberon-2, with a few refinements (final declaration and a few others IIRC).
pjmlp 11y ago
What I liked about Component Pascal was that it extended Oberon-2 to have an OOP model more close to Object Pascal as exposed by Turbo Pascal. Also their designers were pushing for programming with components, instead of pure OOP. Basically a type safe way of doing COM. The first edition of "Component Software: Beyond Object-Oriented Programming" used mostly Component Pascal examples. http://www.amazon.com/Component-Software-Object-Oriented-Programming-Addison-Wesley/dp/032175302X http://www.amazon.com/Component-Software-Object-Oriented-Pro...
- nickpsecurity 11y ago
  It sounds so good that I'd be ready to ditch the opportunity of Modula-2 revision for it if I was an OOP fan. I'm still not convinced it's necessary or even ideal for various tradeoffs. Besides, whether it is or isn't, Modula-2 might be worth reviving just as a C alternative for low-level stuff with more safety. I think investigations into and development of both simultaneously is justified.
  - pjmlp 11y ago
    You also have the Basic and Pascal compilers from Mikro Elektronika. http://www.mikroe.com/mikropascal/ http://www.mikroe.com/mikropascal/ http://www.mikroe.com/mikrobasic/ http://www.mikroe.com/mikrobasic/
    - nickpsecurity 11y ago
      That's great. I didn't know about them. So, that's Pascal, BASIC, and Oberon available for microcontrollers with Mikro in the lead. The other links look like they're a one stop shop. Increases odds that everything integrates well.