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It is weird. A possible justification is that there are terrorist watch lists and no fly lists, and we check your name against those lists to make sure you are

by guan 11y ago

It is weird. A possible justification is that there are terrorist watch lists and no fly lists, and we check your name against those lists to make sure you are not a bad guy. ID is required to make sure you are who you say you are, so the check against the lists is accurate. Of course, there is no complete list of bad guys who want to do bad things. If you are set on doing harm and are minimally organized, you can probably find someone not on the lists. And there are false positives on the lists we have.

ryanlol 11y ago
Except anyone can easily produce a perfect replica of a US state ID in their home with an extremely low budget. And the questions the TSA asked this guy seemed like basic CRA questions, if they don't stop fraud they won't stop terrorism. There's no way ID checks will stop anyone who really wants to get on a plane within the US.
- Retra 11y ago
  There is no such thing as 100% security. You can build a fence and try to say "but someone who really wants to get in will bring a wire-cutter," but that's just missing the point. The point is that a fence is cheap, and you want as much security as you can reasonably afford. There's no way anything will stop anyone who really wants to get on a plane. But when you play a game of chess, you don't try to play a perfect game, you try to play the game that gives your opponent the most opportunities to make mistakes. You force your opponent to make decisions, because that's how they end up making the wrong decisions and get caught. So go ahead and make a fake ID. You'll fail to board more by doing that than you will if the airport doesn't even bother to ask for ID.
  - ryanlol 11y ago
    >There is no such thing as 100% security. You can build a fence and try to say "but someone who really wants to get in will bring a wire-cutter," but that's just missing the point. The point is that a fence is cheap, and you want as much security as you can reasonably afford. TSA Annual budget: $7.39 billion (2014) >There's no way anything will stop anyone who really wants to get on a plane. But when you play a game of chess, you don't try to play a perfect game, you try to play the game that gives your opponent the most opportunities to make mistakes. You force your opponent to make decisions, because that's how they end up making the wrong decisions and get caught. Yes, but when you play a game of chess you try. Have you even seen a US state ID? They're not trying. >So go ahead and make a fake ID. You'll fail to board more by doing that than you will if the airport doesn't even bother to ask for ID. And by asking for IDs you achieve what? How many terrorists has the TSA stopped because they had fake IDs?

by guan 11y ago

ryanlol 11y ago

Except anyone can easily produce a perfect replica of a US state ID in their home with an extremely low budget. And the questions the TSA asked this guy seemed like basic CRA questions, if they don't stop fraud they won't stop terrorism. There's no way ID checks will stop anyone who really wants to get on a plane within the US.

Retra 11y ago
There is no such thing as 100% security. You can build a fence and try to say "but someone who really wants to get in will bring a wire-cutter," but that's just missing the point. The point is that a fence is cheap, and you want as much security as you can reasonably afford. There's no way anything will stop anyone who really wants to get on a plane. But when you play a game of chess, you don't try to play a perfect game, you try to play the game that gives your opponent the most opportunities to make mistakes. You force your opponent to make decisions, because that's how they end up making the wrong decisions and get caught. So go ahead and make a fake ID. You'll fail to board more by doing that than you will if the airport doesn't even bother to ask for ID.
- ryanlol 11y ago
  >There is no such thing as 100% security. You can build a fence and try to say "but someone who really wants to get in will bring a wire-cutter," but that's just missing the point. The point is that a fence is cheap, and you want as much security as you can reasonably afford. TSA Annual budget: $7.39 billion (2014) >There's no way anything will stop anyone who really wants to get on a plane. But when you play a game of chess, you don't try to play a perfect game, you try to play the game that gives your opponent the most opportunities to make mistakes. You force your opponent to make decisions, because that's how they end up making the wrong decisions and get caught. Yes, but when you play a game of chess you try. Have you even seen a US state ID? They're not trying. >So go ahead and make a fake ID. You'll fail to board more by doing that than you will if the airport doesn't even bother to ask for ID. And by asking for IDs you achieve what? How many terrorists has the TSA stopped because they had fake IDs?