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> The alternative to closing it was endless policing by him and Rumi Josephs, an artist who served as Boring Dystopia’s second admin. “It didn’t work at that sc

by harryf 11y ago

> The alternative to closing it was endless policing by him and Rumi Josephs, an artist who served as Boring Dystopia’s second admin. “It didn’t work at that scale This is my biggest beef with all popular social media platforms today. They've invested vast effort in making themselves addictive but almost zero on making them efficient for users at scale. Take OSS for example - any moderately successful project will start attracting so much noise the project will typically end up consuming all the waking and some of the sleeping hours of the founders, largely through communication and managing a growing team. IMO this is the stuff we need to figure out how to scale effectively on social platforms instead of investing all out efforts into ever-more-toxic clickbait

routelastresort 11y ago
I would buy you gold if there was HN equivalent. In all seriousness, this is something I think about on a daily basis. The need for more/tiresome administration leads to promoting more people to moderate, and they a) might be moderating too many things simultaneously, or b) might bring unnecessary micromanagement or other traits to the mix. Here's hoping multiple site types get it right!
legulere 11y ago
It's just showing clearly the biggest flaw of the groupthink of people in tech: That technology is what matters most and everything else is just a small problems that can be solved on the side. The reality is that social things are often way more important to success and often can't be solved with technology (alone).
- harryf 11y ago
  I get where you're coming from. At a certain level nothing replaces meeting someone face to face and shaking hands. But I'm talking empowering social "power users" with more tools to make them more efficient. Googles Gmail auto replies would be a prime example - http://www.wired.com/2015/11/google-is-using-ai-to-create-automatic-replies-in-gmail/ http://www.wired.com/2015/11/google-is-using-ai-to-create-au...
superuser2 11y ago
> investing all out efforts into ever-more-toxic clickbait. Toxic clickbait is an investment with a substantial and proven return. What is the revenue model for effectively scaling communities? Users will presumably demand it for free and be averse to advertising.
- jarcane 11y ago
  And there we have it, a Christmas miracle: The most Hacker News comment there ever was.
- harryf 11y ago
  > Toxic clickbait is an investment with a substantial and proven return. So is selling arms to third world countries. > What is the revenue model for effectively scaling communities Similar to AWS - pay for usage. There are enoug people experiencing pain of running one-to-many relationships with the Internet. Provide them productivity tools. Of course not as sexy for investors wanting a quick return
daodedickinson 11y ago
Such sites do not facilitate elaborate, modular hierarchies: "' . . .if a society does increase significantly in size, and if at the same time it remains unified and integrated, it must elaborate its organization.' A common reaction to this scale-complexity relationship has been to account for increasing complexity of social organization through population growth." http://eclectic.ss.uci.edu/~drwhite/ISCOM/GAJ1-17.pdf http://eclectic.ss.uci.edu/~drwhite/ISCOM/GAJ1-17.pdf The future successes in social networking will come from people who leverage social science and not just computer science.

by harryf 11y ago

routelastresort 11y ago

I would buy you gold if there was HN equivalent. In all seriousness, this is something I think about on a daily basis. The need for more/tiresome administration leads to promoting more people to moderate, and they a) might be moderating too many things simultaneously, or b) might bring unnecessary micromanagement or other traits to the mix. Here's hoping multiple site types get it right!

legulere 11y ago

It's just showing clearly the biggest flaw of the groupthink of people in tech: That technology is what matters most and everything else is just a small problems that can be solved on the side. The reality is that social things are often way more important to success and often can't be solved with technology (alone).

harryf 11y ago
I get where you're coming from. At a certain level nothing replaces meeting someone face to face and shaking hands. But I'm talking empowering social "power users" with more tools to make them more efficient. Googles Gmail auto replies would be a prime example - http://www.wired.com/2015/11/google-is-using-ai-to-create-automatic-replies-in-gmail/ http://www.wired.com/2015/11/google-is-using-ai-to-create-au...

superuser2 11y ago

> investing all out efforts into ever-more-toxic clickbait. Toxic clickbait is an investment with a substantial and proven return. What is the revenue model for effectively scaling communities? Users will presumably demand it for free and be averse to advertising.

jarcane 11y ago
And there we have it, a Christmas miracle: The most Hacker News comment there ever was.
harryf 11y ago
> Toxic clickbait is an investment with a substantial and proven return. So is selling arms to third world countries. > What is the revenue model for effectively scaling communities Similar to AWS - pay for usage. There are enoug people experiencing pain of running one-to-many relationships with the Internet. Provide them productivity tools. Of course not as sexy for investors wanting a quick return

daodedickinson 11y ago

Such sites do not facilitate elaborate, modular hierarchies: "' . . .if a society does increase significantly in size, and if at the same time it remains unified and integrated, it must elaborate its organization.' A common reaction to this scale-complexity relationship has been to account for increasing complexity of social organization through population growth." http://eclectic.ss.uci.edu/~drwhite/ISCOM/GAJ1-17.pdf http://eclectic.ss.uci.edu/~drwhite/ISCOM/GAJ1-17.pdf The future successes in social networking will come from people who leverage social science and not just computer science.