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Mate just reinforces why I am bitter toward Ubuntu. Compiz used to be a pretty rad window manager 5-6 years ago. But Ubuntu basically hijacked Compiz as the fou

by gkop 11y ago

Mate just reinforces why I am bitter toward Ubuntu. Compiz used to be a pretty rad window manager 5-6 years ago. But Ubuntu basically hijacked Compiz as the foundation for Unity, so any Compiz version newer than I think 0.8.x is missing key features and suffering many bugs, if used for any purpose other than to support Unity. If Ubuntu hadn't messed up Compiz so much, then Mate+Compiz would indeed be a viable and happy desktop environment. Fortunately Gnome3 is itself viable now. But I will never get back the many days of really trying to make mainline Ubuntu (and Mint with Cinnamon and Mate) work for me post-Unity (after all it comes with Compiz out-of-the-box! ;) ) and suffering all the stereotypical brokenness for which people deride desktop Linux.

mixmastamyk 11y ago
Compiz works with Ubuntu Mate, unsure about specific bugs because I've found I haven't really needed it.
- gkop 11y ago
  Would you say you use Compiz as a tiling window manager? In the old days it was a totally snazzy tiling window manager. After Unity, many of the tiling features were removed or broken (I waited until 2013 to try this stuff, so I gave the dust a chance to settle).
  - mixmastamyk 11y ago
    I do remember the hotkeys to send windows to the side or corners, which I liked. But, so far I am doing fine without them, and appreciating some hard won stability.
    - aibara 11y ago
      You can still set hotkeys (I actually thought they were on by default, but maybe not) via the CompizConfig Settings Manager under Grid.
rdtsc 11y ago
See I don't even know or remember what Compiz is anymore. My mom doesn't know what Compiz is. I guess that's when Ubuntu switched (12-14 or so release?) to the new start launcher and "search apps by typing their name", and everyone hated that? Yeah I remember being annoyed at that for a while, but then got used to it and now like it more. I don't even remember what old desktop looked like. But I also noticed at the same time, my hardware on the laptop worked and the UI was smoother and more consistent. So saw enough improvements with each release to keep me happy with it. Maybe at some point I stopped being a Linux distro hobbyist who was interested in what individual packages were called, and what kernel version each ran. I used to love that stuff. I started with Mandrake Linux, used Redhat, Gentoo for a while. But then stopped being interested in that became sort of an ignorant user that just wants his dev environment, (compilers), language packages, wifi, trackpad to work etc.
- gkop 11y ago
  Agreed! I was delighted by Gnome2 (Ubuntu) and now I am delighted by Gnome3 (Debian Stable). I don't do anything too custom, just need basic tiling. I recommend Ubuntu to friends and family, it's just not for me anymore. And I have forgotten about Compiz too until somebody brings up Mate: I wasted a lot of time with Mate because Ubuntu screwed up Compiz and now I am a bit spiteful toward Ubuntu.
- mangecoeur 11y ago
  Agreed - I also used to be "linux hobbyist" until the day I realised I was spending far more time monkeying about with packages and kernels than actually doing anything useful. Thanks to Ubuntu I don't have to care about that anymore.
- pekk 11y ago
  > But then stopped being interested in that became sort of an ignorant user that just wants his dev environment, (compilers), language packages, wifi, trackpad to work etc. This is exactly why I have been using Ubuntu for years. If I cared about customizing every little thing and using the lastest packages then I might use Arch. I just don't have the time for that crap any more.

by gkop 11y ago

mixmastamyk 11y ago

Compiz works with Ubuntu Mate, unsure about specific bugs because I've found I haven't really needed it.

gkop 11y ago
Would you say you use Compiz as a tiling window manager? In the old days it was a totally snazzy tiling window manager. After Unity, many of the tiling features were removed or broken (I waited until 2013 to try this stuff, so I gave the dust a chance to settle).
- mixmastamyk 11y ago
  I do remember the hotkeys to send windows to the side or corners, which I liked. But, so far I am doing fine without them, and appreciating some hard won stability.
  - aibara 11y ago
    You can still set hotkeys (I actually thought they were on by default, but maybe not) via the CompizConfig Settings Manager under Grid.

rdtsc 11y ago

See I don't even know or remember what Compiz is anymore. My mom doesn't know what Compiz is. I guess that's when Ubuntu switched (12-14 or so release?) to the new start launcher and "search apps by typing their name", and everyone hated that? Yeah I remember being annoyed at that for a while, but then got used to it and now like it more. I don't even remember what old desktop looked like. But I also noticed at the same time, my hardware on the laptop worked and the UI was smoother and more consistent. So saw enough improvements with each release to keep me happy with it. Maybe at some point I stopped being a Linux distro hobbyist who was interested in what individual packages were called, and what kernel version each ran. I used to love that stuff. I started with Mandrake Linux, used Redhat, Gentoo for a while. But then stopped being interested in that became sort of an ignorant user that just wants his dev environment, (compilers), language packages, wifi, trackpad to work etc.

gkop 11y ago
Agreed! I was delighted by Gnome2 (Ubuntu) and now I am delighted by Gnome3 (Debian Stable). I don't do anything too custom, just need basic tiling. I recommend Ubuntu to friends and family, it's just not for me anymore. And I have forgotten about Compiz too until somebody brings up Mate: I wasted a lot of time with Mate because Ubuntu screwed up Compiz and now I am a bit spiteful toward Ubuntu.
mangecoeur 11y ago
Agreed - I also used to be "linux hobbyist" until the day I realised I was spending far more time monkeying about with packages and kernels than actually doing anything useful. Thanks to Ubuntu I don't have to care about that anymore.
pekk 11y ago
> But then stopped being interested in that became sort of an ignorant user that just wants his dev environment, (compilers), language packages, wifi, trackpad to work etc. This is exactly why I have been using Ubuntu for years. If I cared about customizing every little thing and using the lastest packages then I might use Arch. I just don't have the time for that crap any more.