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> if you are in Iran, you are likely to end up in prison for any form of openly displaying an unwillingness to follow Islamic rules. If you should find yourself

> if you are in Iran, you are likely to end up in prison for any form of openly displaying an unwillingness to follow Islamic rules. If you should find yourself in Iran, my best advice is to leave at the earliest opportunity. The problem is not only Iran, most countries with Muslim majorities have this problem. Yes, there are some exceptions though. Also where should this people leave to? Just because they'd like to leave they are not entitled to be let in. If you ask me: Stay in Iran or where ever you are right now and work on improving your own country and society.

Grishnakh 11y ago
The only way to improve a country like that is through violent revolution, because you're never going to get conservative Muslims to change their views. Anything short of that is a waste of effort. If your group is a tiny minority, you have no chance of your violent revolution succeeding in Iran. Therefore, the only sane thing to do is figure out how to leave. Someone like that should be able to rightfully claim asylum somewhere, because obviously, being a religious minority in Iran can and does lead to serious oppression in the form of prison.
- tamana 11y ago
  I don't see evidence that violent people's revolution (not the US kind of traditional polite batyle among aristocrats' armies) is more successful than a modernizing/liberalizing leader, like Russia at the end of the cold war (before Putin-types won back the elections). Removing a government is relatively easy. Installing a new one is hard.
  - Grishnakh 11y ago
    You just reinforced my point. A "modernizing/liberalizing leader" doesn't work, as you just pointed out yourself with Russia. If the majority of the people aren't supportive of that, that leader will be replaced before long with a Putin-like leader. Obviously, someone in Russia in the late 80s would have been better off simply leaving the country for greener pastures, because the time they had with a more liberal leader was short and things quickly regressed. Fighting for a better government is only worthwhile when the majority of people in your country are going to back you. If most of them like the crappy, oppressive government (or want something even worse), you're just wasting your time and effort trying to improve things, and you'd be better off finding someplace better to live.

Grishnakh 11y ago

The only way to improve a country like that is through violent revolution, because you're never going to get conservative Muslims to change their views. Anything short of that is a waste of effort. If your group is a tiny minority, you have no chance of your violent revolution succeeding in Iran. Therefore, the only sane thing to do is figure out how to leave. Someone like that should be able to rightfully claim asylum somewhere, because obviously, being a religious minority in Iran can and does lead to serious oppression in the form of prison.

tamana 11y ago
I don't see evidence that violent people's revolution (not the US kind of traditional polite batyle among aristocrats' armies) is more successful than a modernizing/liberalizing leader, like Russia at the end of the cold war (before Putin-types won back the elections). Removing a government is relatively easy. Installing a new one is hard.
- Grishnakh 11y ago
  You just reinforced my point. A "modernizing/liberalizing leader" doesn't work, as you just pointed out yourself with Russia. If the majority of the people aren't supportive of that, that leader will be replaced before long with a Putin-like leader. Obviously, someone in Russia in the late 80s would have been better off simply leaving the country for greener pastures, because the time they had with a more liberal leader was short and things quickly regressed. Fighting for a better government is only worthwhile when the majority of people in your country are going to back you. If most of them like the crappy, oppressive government (or want something even worse), you're just wasting your time and effort trying to improve things, and you'd be better off finding someplace better to live.