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Did you just take the opportunity of reading a note that the US and UK overthrew Iran's secular parliament and empowered the ayatollahs, only to take your weste

by obrero 11y ago

Did you just take the opportunity of reading a note that the US and UK overthrew Iran's secular parliament and empowered the ayatollahs, only to take your western hand and shake a holier-than-thou hand at Iran that it is abusing human rights? The ayatollahs who may or may not be abusing human rights are the ones installed by the west in 1953. Also - the Shah in direction with Falsafi started the anti-Bahai campaigns in 1955, which had not been going on under Iran's parliament. The US puts in a puppet, in less than two years he stirs up a massive anti-Bahai campaign which involves riots, lynchings. You seem to be in complete shock, you want to be a westerner being pious and holier-than-thou against something the west itself did, against the will of Mossadegh and the elected parliament of Iran.

JupiterMoon 11y ago
Wasn't it little less direct than this? I thought that the US/UK installed the Shah to replace the democratic Iranian government. He was overthrown by the revolution in 1979 and it was following this revolution (which included elements of secularists as well as islamists) that the ayatollahs took control? The US/UK never backed the ayatollahs and started supporting Saddam in the Iran/Iraq war. I.e. standard western fiddling about going catastrophically wrong for everyone.
- obrero 11y ago
  The ayatollahs got into control because the Shah used them to overthrow the parliament (Behbahani and Falsafi and finally Kashani), used them to attack the left etc. In fact, as I mentioned in another post, one of their first acts (1955) were the Shah and Falsafi conspiring to start an anti-Bahai campaign which caused riots which killed Bahai. The US and shah and Savak did too well stamping out secularism, left-wing ideas, even liberal ideas about parliament, democracy etc. Eventually the ayatollahs and Bazaari etc. amassed great power, and turned on the Shah. Mossadegh was never in the pocket of the ayatollahs, but he did try to qualm moderates like Kashani. But Kashani eventually turned on him (the hard-line preachers had far before).

by obrero 11y ago

JupiterMoon 11y ago

Wasn't it little less direct than this? I thought that the US/UK installed the Shah to replace the democratic Iranian government. He was overthrown by the revolution in 1979 and it was following this revolution (which included elements of secularists as well as islamists) that the ayatollahs took control? The US/UK never backed the ayatollahs and started supporting Saddam in the Iran/Iraq war. I.e. standard western fiddling about going catastrophically wrong for everyone.

obrero 11y ago
The ayatollahs got into control because the Shah used them to overthrow the parliament (Behbahani and Falsafi and finally Kashani), used them to attack the left etc. In fact, as I mentioned in another post, one of their first acts (1955) were the Shah and Falsafi conspiring to start an anti-Bahai campaign which caused riots which killed Bahai. The US and shah and Savak did too well stamping out secularism, left-wing ideas, even liberal ideas about parliament, democracy etc. Eventually the ayatollahs and Bazaari etc. amassed great power, and turned on the Shah. Mossadegh was never in the pocket of the ayatollahs, but he did try to qualm moderates like Kashani. But Kashani eventually turned on him (the hard-line preachers had far before).