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Okay, I think I get it. It's not the project that concerns you, it's the attitude behind it, and what that attitude implies about future action unrelated to thi

Okay, I think I get it. It's not the project that concerns you, it's the attitude behind it, and what that attitude implies about future action unrelated to this ridiculous "Manhattan Project". I get it, but I think we have to wait until those future actions actually happen to get serious. Partly it's because I don't necessarily believe that your narrative is correct - I think there's a great deal of real, legitimate ignorance about this technology, and that this will dispel in time. (Don't forget that Clinton is an old woman, who's made her career in a distinctly non-technical area. Do you really expect your grandma to understand things like PKI? Alas that there are no scientists or engineers in the field.)

Nadya 11y ago
>I get it, but I think we have to wait until those future actions actually happen to get serious. Then you don't get it. It's impossible to fight from behind a jail cell.
- javajosh 11y ago
  Let's get specific: which actions do you think the USG will take against tech companies and users? Will they really try to make general computation illegal? Surely there are examples among the more totalitarian countries of the kind of thing you're talking about. I think your argument would have more weight if you ditched the rhetoric and focused on reason.
  - Nadya 11y ago
    Fine the companies and they don't have to do anything to the users. Any individuals who use encryption by their own means can be branded as terrorists for using a non-sanctified encryption system/service and imprisoned. All the ignorant people who have been taught encryption is only used by terrorists will buy it, no questions asked. Make supporting encryption without a government backdoor illegal. That same government backdoor could be abused by third parties. But the ones pushing for that either don't care about that or don't understand that. The government has many stupid people in it, but I don't think the NSA director is one of them. [0] He knows that third parties could use the backdoor, he simply doesn't care. Notice how this occurring in the USA and not some totalitarian country you refer to? People aren't afraid for absolutely no reason. They're afraid because a country founded on freedom is increasingly taking the game plans out of a totalitarian state play book. People are afraid if they don't fight back now they might not be able to fight back. [0] http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/23/nsa-director-defends-backdoors-into-technology-companies http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/23/nsa-director-...

Nadya 11y ago

>I get it, but I think we have to wait until those future actions actually happen to get serious. Then you don't get it. It's impossible to fight from behind a jail cell.

javajosh 11y ago
Let's get specific: which actions do you think the USG will take against tech companies and users? Will they really try to make general computation illegal? Surely there are examples among the more totalitarian countries of the kind of thing you're talking about. I think your argument would have more weight if you ditched the rhetoric and focused on reason.
- Nadya 11y ago
  Fine the companies and they don't have to do anything to the users. Any individuals who use encryption by their own means can be branded as terrorists for using a non-sanctified encryption system/service and imprisoned. All the ignorant people who have been taught encryption is only used by terrorists will buy it, no questions asked. Make supporting encryption without a government backdoor illegal. That same government backdoor could be abused by third parties. But the ones pushing for that either don't care about that or don't understand that. The government has many stupid people in it, but I don't think the NSA director is one of them. [0] He knows that third parties could use the backdoor, he simply doesn't care. Notice how this occurring in the USA and not some totalitarian country you refer to? People aren't afraid for absolutely no reason. They're afraid because a country founded on freedom is increasingly taking the game plans out of a totalitarian state play book. People are afraid if they don't fight back now they might not be able to fight back. [0] http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/23/nsa-director-defends-backdoors-into-technology-companies http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/23/nsa-director-...